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Posted 1/12/14 , edited 1/12/14

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Wakanim layout makes me wont to be sick just all over the place
and i don't get the paying thing


It's not great and some parts are still in French (part of the options to pay of all things).

As for them charging; they do explain it in the FAQs. Basically, they think that the only way for them to give the creators a fair percentage of the revenue while remaining profitable themselves is to sell each episode individually. Crunchyroll have faced criticism that they don't give a fair share to the creators (there is a lot to debate around this; but Crunchyroll do offer the best experience to the end users). At least you get a DRM free download for the rather hefty prices.

Animax on the other hand... They have a somewhat better layout than Wakamin (Crunchyroll's is still much better) and do have a subscription service. However they mostly have older series that are often readily available on DVD/BD and the simulcasts they do have don't actually seem to be simultaneous at all. What they offer doesn't seem to be worth subscribing to at their prices and they seem very impersonal.
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SteeJaHi wrote:

Wakanim layout makes me wont to be sick just all over the place
and i don't get the paying thing


It's not great and some parts are still in French (part of the options to pay of all things).

As for them charging; they do explain it in the FAQs. Basically, they think that the only way for them to give the creators a fair percentage of the revenue while remaining profitable themselves is to sell each episode individually. Crunchyroll have faced criticism that they don't give a fair share to the creators (there is a lot to debate around this; but Crunchyroll do offer the best experience to the end users). At least you get a DRM free download for the rather hefty prices.

Animax on the other hand... They have a somewhat better layout than Wakamin (Crunchyroll's is still much better) and do have a subscription service. However they mostly have older series that are often readily available on DVD/BD and the simulcasts they do have don't actually seem to be simultaneous at all. What they offer doesn't seem to be worth subscribing to at their prices and they seem very impersonal.


guess thats true but i might well by the DVD attest i have maine copy unlike my pc could brake and lose the digital download and at 75p ep you might well just by box set from HMV
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guess thats true but i might well by the DVD attest i have maine copy unlike my pc could brake and lose the digital download and at 75p ep you might well just by box set from HMV


Well that was the point I was abstractly making. It's just that at least you get a copy you can keep for the high prices regarding Wakamin. For Animax is cheaper, but is only streaming and with most of their catalogue being readily available on DVD, it reduces the value of their offer to quite a few people.

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Animax on the other hand... They have a somewhat better layout than Wakamin (Crunchyroll's is still much better) and do have a subscription service. However they mostly have older series that are often readily available on DVD/BD and the simulcasts they do have don't actually seem to be simultaneous at all. What they offer doesn't seem to be worth subscribing to at their prices and they seem very impersonal.


To be fair to Animax, they've got Persona 4 dubbed (2013 - £75 for the set) and Tiger & Bunny dubbed (2013 £80-90 for the set) as well as Code Geass and Bleach dubbed. Granted it's heavily dependent on what you currently own and what you want to watch, but paying £6 a month to view it isn't bad considering the cost to buy it outright.

Granted the simulcasts seem to be on a par with AoD though. I'm expecting them to announce Nisekoi, World Conquest et al, and am hoping they've catch up to proper simulcasting quickly. I wasn't paying too much attention but I thought they were fairly reliable with Beyond the Boundary last season.
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SteeJaHi wrote:

guess thats true but i might well by the DVD attest i have maine copy unlike my pc could brake and lose the digital download and at 75p ep you might well just by box set from HMV


Well that was the point I was abstractly making. It's just that at least you get a copy you can keep for the high prices regarding Wakamin. For Animax is cheaper, but is only streaming and with most of their catalogue being readily available on DVD, it reduces the value of their offer to quite a few people.



very much so i see your point there
we used to have a Chanel on sky at one point called anime central . but i think went bust. but looking back on it it was not on for long and was online for long amounts of time. but this was back in like 2007 and all did was show repeats. no wonder it went bust. all so lack anime market back in 2007
Posted 1/12/14 , edited 1/12/14

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Tams80 wrote:


Animax on the other hand... They have a somewhat better layout than Wakamin (Crunchyroll's is still much better) and do have a subscription service. However they mostly have older series that are often readily available on DVD/BD and the simulcasts they do have don't actually seem to be simultaneous at all. What they offer doesn't seem to be worth subscribing to at their prices and they seem very impersonal.


To be fair to Animax, they've got Persona 4 dubbed (2013 - £75 for the set) and Tiger & Bunny dubbed (2013 £80-90 for the set) as well as Code Geass and Bleach dubbed. Granted it's heavily dependent on what you currently own and what you want to watch, but paying £6 a month to view it isn't bad considering the cost to buy it outright.

Granted the simulcasts seem to be on a par with AoD though. I'm expecting them to announce Nisekoi, World Conquest et al, and am hoping they've catch up to proper simulcasting quickly. I wasn't paying too much attention but I thought they were fairly reliable with Beyond the Boundary last season.


am a student not billion air to sub to like 4 anime websites over all i fined them annoying because all they doing is fighting over who gets what and not whats all in one place . no wonder these places die that have limited anime and charge stupid prices for what they offer, i happy pay £12 mouth to have all the anime owned buy one main streamer in the uk
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It's not illegal to use proxies and VPNs. And I've looked, there's nothing about it in the rules on CR. If there was, it would be pretty lame since it's not illegal to use one.

They are not illegal in the US, so I expect the same would be true for many other countries, possibly even most.

As for the CR rules, actually a VPN would violate this section of the terms of service:

Forge any TCP/IP packet header or any part of the header information in any posting or in any way use the Site or Services to send altered, deceptive or false source-identifying information;


Likewise, this section could be construed as barring a person from advising anyone to use a VPN, given the above section:

Use the Site or Services in any manner not permitted by these Terms of Use; or Encourage or instruct any other individual to do any of the foregoing or to violate any term of these Terms of Use.


For better or worse, a company's terms of service can disallow things that are not illegal. Fortunately, I don't see anything in those terms that would appear to require a user report anyone that know is using a VPN.

I expect CR essentially has to do this to keep licensors satisfied. After all, if they even tacitly encouraged the use of a proxy or VPN, they would be giving the middle finger to the licensor's region restrictions.

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To be fair to Animax, they've got Persona 4 dubbed (2013 - £75 for the set) and Tiger & Bunny dubbed (2013 £80-90 for the set) as well as Code Geass and Bleach dubbed. Granted it's heavily dependent on what you currently own and what you want to watch, but paying £6 a month to view it isn't bad considering the cost to buy it outright.

Granted the simulcasts seem to be on a par with AoD though. I'm expecting them to announce Nisekoi, World Conquest et al, and am hoping they've catch up to proper simulcasting quickly. I wasn't paying too much attention but I thought they were fairly reliable with Beyond the Boundary last season.


Animax are quite good value for money, especially if you like some popular anime that have finished airing. I's say they are possibly even better than Crunchyroll in this regard. Crunchyroll is far better value for money for most people though and as I've said have a better website.

Regarding simulcasting, I find it is Magi that they are quite behind on, at least compared to Crunchyroll.




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am a student not billion air to sub to like 4 anime websites over all i fined them annoying because all they doing is fighting over who gets what and not whats all in one place . no wonder these places die that have limited anime and charge stupid prices for what they offer, i happy pay £12 mouth to have all the anime owned buy one main streamer in the uk


If I'm correct we only have Crunchyroll, Animax and Wakanim. Only Crunchyroll and Animax offer subscriptions. If you add those two together, it's around £12. With Wakanim though, it would be a bit more as they are quite expensive.

I'd say the cost isn't actually too much of an issue. It's more the convenience and experience, which I think Crunchyroll do best by far, If all three could get together and cooperate to create an anime platform (like our TV channels have tried to do), it would be great. The individual subscriptions/rentals/purchases could be separate, but a system to bundle them together would be helpful.
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If I'm correct we only have Crunchyroll, Animax and Wakanim. Only Crunchyroll and Animax offer subscriptions. If you add those two together, it's around £12. With Wakanim though, it would be a bit more as they are quite expensive.

For simulcasts, you would need to factor in Daisuki also. If you wanted to legally view the simulcast of Buddy Complex for example, they would be the only source for the UK (or apparently the rest of the world outside of the US, Canada, and Japan).

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In short we have been "let down" by CR this season, probably not through any fault of their own but more so by the license holders only offering them a few shows. No other services in the UK are currently up-to-scratch/good value for money so we are all better off staying here on crunchyroll in the hope that they do pick up a gem like they did last season with Kyousougiga.
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For simulcasts, you would need to factor in Daisuki also. If you wanted to legally view the simulcast of Buddy Complex for example, they would be the only source for the UK (or apparently the rest of the world outside of the US, Canada, and Japan).



I had largely written of Daisuki as all it really had was Sword Art Online (watched it here on CR), Madoka Magica (main reason I visited the site) and then just Gundam (no interest). I had high hopes when they announced One Piecce would be on it but it became pointless as MangaUK got the license here a few months before and good luck trying to prise that away fro them while they have DVDs pumping out every few months.

Pity Daisuki didnt get World Conquest Zvevda, it looks fun and Im wondering why we were excluded, no sign from any other streaming site to license it, so either it could be one Animax picked up or such.
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In short we have been "let down" by CR this season, probably not through any fault of their own but more so by the license holders only offering them a few shows. No other services in the UK are currently up-to-scratch/good value for money so we are all better off staying here on crunchyroll in the hope that they do pick up a gem like they did last season with Kyousougiga.


Exactly. I don't particularly mind having to pay multiple site subscriptions as long as all the services are up to scratch and comparable. It's still work out cheaper than a Sky/Cable subscription. And I suspect I'm not alone in that. Although i also suspect that some people would rather pay one subscription and have everything on it, owing to cost, especially if they're all "Crunchyroll Shows" in other territories.

But right now, currently only Crunchyroll really gets it right.

Hell, Animax still hasn't even announced what shows they have. They've said multiple times that they will be "announcing soon", but since that point this season's shows have had one or even two episodes out and not even a peep of an announcement. And several people have been asking.

The worst sign I see now is other people channelling my thoughts. When it's just me railing on about something I assume I'm probably being unreasonable. But when multiple other people are saying the same thing, I worry. As that usually means something is wrong. :-p
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Animax will make their announcements tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/AnimaxUK/statuses/422789369892597760


We'll be announcing our new simulcast titles tomorrow and have many surprises for you all :-)


Surprises huh? Bet there's no simulcasts from outside this list of 7 series I have here.

Still, good to actually have a date now.

Edit: seems the surprise may be something other than simulcast-related.
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Animax will make their announcements tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/AnimaxUK/statuses/422789369892597760


We'll be announcing our new simulcast titles tomorrow and have many surprises for you all :-)


Surprises huh? Bet there's no simulcasts from outside this list of 7 series I have here.

Still, good to actually have a date now.

Edit: seems the surprise may be something other than simulcast-related.


About time! I'm guessing the surprises will be new catalog titles too?
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My predictions would be Nisekoi, World Conquest Zvezda, Chunibyou 2, and possibly Hametora.

Surprise to be that catalog title that Viz just picked up :-P
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