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I respect what Wakanim/Anime Limited are doing. They charge the prices they do because they consider that the only way that the creators, publishers and themselves can make a sustainable amount of money from. The free for 30 days episodes are a great offering and the option to download to rent or keep (DRM free no less) is absolutely welcome.

They just need to work on their website a bit. I'd also like to see the option to subscribe, even if it only meant cheaper prices to rent/buy episodes.

I'm not a fan of Animax so far.

Competition is good. I wouldn't want Crunchyroll to have a monopoly. A unified service would be great as I mentioned earlier.
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PurpleCox wrote: Coming into the new season I was pretty excited for the announcements from crunchyroll but it seems that quite a large chunk of the new titles are only available in the US and Canada, ...

This isn't to say it doesn't suck or anything, but I did want to correct the notion that if its not in the UK then its only in the US & Canada. The reality is that while Canada and the US gets 96% of new simulcasts this season and the UK is getting something like 65%, very few series are US/Canada only. Its just that region rights are still a patchwork, so one series is North & South America and South Africa and another series is North America, UK/Eire, Oz/NZ and South Africa, and so on.

There would be three series blocked if it weren't for AnimaxUK poaching four exclusive streaming rights.

Also note that TiggsPanther and I have a discussion along these lines in the wizard barristers site news, contrasting AnimaxUK/Sony and WakanimUK, and talking about the problems of AnimaxUK/Sony continuing the Anime-On-Demand strategy of poaching Crunchyroll simulcasts with the Japanese-style "two weeks free, then premium" streaming business model.
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This isn't to say it doesn't suck or anything, but I did want to correct the notion that if its not in the UK then its only in the US & Canada. The reality is that while Canada and the US gets 96% of new simulcasts this season and the UK is getting something like 65%, very few series are US/Canada only. Its just that region rights are still a patchwork, so one series is North & South America and South Africa and another series is North America, UK/Eire, Oz/NZ and South Africa, and so on.


What probably doesn't help with regards to that notion is that the detailed information on regional restriction is only actually in the announcement threads. And, as a general rule, I suspect a lot of people only read (or remember, anyway) the information about the shows that actually interest them.

So, if someone looks at three shows that were "US and Canada, only" and doesn't really look into shows that were, for example "World ex UK" (oversimplified, but works for this example), if they then look at the Lineup list and see several less titles tan they remember hearing about, they will likely be mainly thinking in terms of "America and not here".

Even though, in one case, sometimes its more like "Non-English Speaking European Territories only".

And even if you get to the show's description page, all it says in "Not available in your region". So it can be hard to get a good picture of what is actually licensed where.
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I biggest issue for me is not the fact that only 65% of shows were licensed in the UK it is more the fact that we seemed to have missed out on some of the bigger shows. Now I am not saying that that IS CR's fault, far from it, but I still think that it is a shame that we are not getting all of the titles that our North American friends are raving about.

I know this could/does come over as selfish from my end but as a consumer I feel I have some right to be selfish. Oh well, I am sure CR will keep developing as a company and continue to expand their library to countries outside of the US and Canada, after all look at where they were a few years back.

They have come on fantastically and I hope they continue to do so.
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Sonicrainbooom_BOOM wrote:

I biggest issue for me is not the fact that only 65% of shows were licensed in the UK it is more the fact that we seemed to have missed out on some of the bigger shows. Now I am not saying that that IS CR's fault, far from it, but I still think that it is a shame that we are not getting all of the titles that our North American friends are raving about.

Any service that only plans on getting a few titles (as opposed to CR's "get all possible" policy), especially if they are going to overbid for them, would normally try for what they expect to be the most popular titles.
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Sonicrainbooom_BOOM wrote: I biggest issue for me is not the fact that only 65% of shows were licensed in the UK it is more the fact that we seemed to have missed out on some of the bigger shows. ...

As TAO notes, series that are seen as the "big shows" of the season are most likely to be the ones that a site like Animax with a small simulcast lineup is going to poach ... but also, the "big shows" of the season are the ones most likely to either have received an expression of interest or be under negotiation with potential various broadcast, narrowcast and home video licensees, and to avoid entanglements, the Japanese licensors would be expected to simply hold off on granting simulcast rights in regions where they are not expected to generate appreciable revenues in order to avoid complications in negotiating more lucrative rights contracts.

That is an area where an ongoing package deal with simulcast rights from a home video distributor in a region could help land simulcast rights in some regions, perhaps including the UK/Eire and Oz/NZ, since Crunchyroll could include a standard section in the contract that immediately surrenders or modifies the rights in the original contract in favor of the terms in the package deal if that home video distributor picks up the rights, which would avoid rights being blocked because that home video distributor is in negotiations.

The reason that package deals are important is that outside of the North American market, the contracting costs on both sides for an individual contract for an individual series can easily eat up all of the simulcast revenue generated by a series in a particular region, but a package deal spreads those contracting costs over multiple series, which allows more of the revenue to actually benefit both Crunchyroll and the creators of the work in Japan.
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Posted 1/17/14

agila61 wrote:
As TAO notes, series that are seen as the "big shows" of the season are most likely to be the ones that a site like Animax with a small simulcast lineup is going to poach ...


Which makes sense.

Unfortunately, the flipside of this situation is that these are the very same titles that the actual viewers want on the superior platform. Especially if other regions have it on that platform.

Now, if the offered an identical (or better) level of service for those poached titles, people would probably be less annoyed at having to shell out a separate subscription.
But having to pay a higher price to a service that sniped a title and offers it in an inferior way? Who the hell even wants that? (Apart from Animax, the company...)
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TiggsPanther wrote: Now, if the offered an identical (or better) level of service for those poached titles, people would probably be less annoyed at having to shell out a separate subscription.

Or if the separate subscription included Space Dandy; Noragami; Maken-Ki; Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha; and Maken Ki and shared the four poached from Crunchyroll with Crunchyroll premium subscribers, that would be a much stronger lineup, and put AnimaxUK in a much better light with UK anime fans.
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agila61 wrote:


TiggsPanther wrote: Now, if the offered an identical (or better) level of service for those poached titles, people would probably be less annoyed at having to shell out a separate subscription.

Or if the separate subscription included Space Dandy; Noragami; Maken-Ki; Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha; and Maken Ki and shared the four poached from Crunchyroll with Crunchyroll premium subscribers, that would be a much stronger lineup, and put AnimaxUK in a much better light with UK anime fans.


I tend to like Animax only when they get us titles that say Funimation or Viz hold the simulcast rights to in the states. At least then they are getting us something we wouldn't have gotten without them rather than poaching a potential Crunchyroll title. At the same time I am okay with Wakanim poaching titles because they have an interesting model that allows you free HD streaming and a paid drm free download if you wish.

By contrast, animax seem to have a site that is inferior to Crunchyrolll in every way that has less shows and no applications, which makes it annoying for me since I enjoy watching the content through my TV and I have to connect a HDMI cable. They also attempt to charge the same price as Crunchyroll for their premium service when their service is largely inferior.

Basically I am more than happy for Wakanim to poach titles since they are trying to do something different and innovate a bit. Wakanim is also backed by Anime Limited, a company that entered the UK anime scene a year ago and proceeded to release titles everybody wanted on Blu-ray for the first time, at affordable prices, in really nice packaging with tons of extras, a move which was by and large unseen before their arrival. They also regularly go to great effort in order to assure a theatrical release of movies they license and genuinely listen to comments made by fans, I have often posted a question to them only to have it answered mere minutes later. They honestly seem to be a company that cares, and I really want their streaming service to take off.

Bottom line, I love Anime Limited and have complete faith in their service, because they have done a lot to earn the trust of UK fans in the past year and I know that they are going to constantly improve their service. If Animax died out however, I probably wouldn't care in the least since they just annoy me.
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Semi-on topic:

I was in the Liverpool HMV earlier today and as a US-native, I was stunned? awed? excited? to see how much anime they had. Definitely the largest single collection of physical anime that I have ever seen. Granted, I haven't been into truly big cities in the states, but I sort of feel like even then, I'd struggle to find anime in this volume in US stores.

Now, I won't say that the shows they had were the best of the best, but there were some good ones mixed in with some bad ones mixed in with a lot of DBZ and OP.

Here are some pics, if you care to see:




It looks like MangaUK is responsible for most of the licensing, although I did see Funi's name in a couple places, which was...interesting, considering the DVD region difference.
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Semi-on topic:

I was in the Liverpool HMV earlier today and as a US-native, I was stunned? awed? excited? to see how much anime they had. Definitely the largest single collection of physical anime that I have ever seen. Granted, I haven't been into truly big cities in the states, but I sort of feel like even then, I'd struggle to find anime in this volume in US stores.


You want to be really blown away, try visiting shop in France.

I was in Lille back in September and we went to visit an HMV equivalent that also did books. So the overall book section was just a part of the main store. But the manga subsection was bigger than some smaller bookshops I've visited. i've seen smaller branches of "The Works".

And their "discount anime" section had more shelf space than some HMVs have for anime in general.
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iblessall wrote:

Semi-on topic:

I was in the Liverpool HMV earlier today and as a US-native, I was stunned? awed? excited? to see how much anime they had. Definitely the largest single collection of physical anime that I have ever seen. Granted, I haven't been into truly big cities in the states, but I sort of feel like even then, I'd struggle to find anime in this volume in US stores.

Now, I won't say that the shows they had were the best of the best, but there were some good ones mixed in with some bad ones mixed in with a lot of DBZ and OP.


It looks like MangaUK is responsible for most of the licensing, although I did see Funi's name in a couple places, which was...interesting, considering the DVD region difference.

Generally if you see Funimation on a box it means it has been licensed by Funimation and then sublicensed by Manga UK.

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iblessall wrote

It looks like MangaUK is responsible for most of the licensing, although I did see Funi's name in a couple places, which was...interesting, considering the DVD region difference.


HMV doesn't tend to stock much MVM stuff, and when it does they're ludicrously expensive (often well above RRP, let alone what you would actually buy it for elsewhere), so yes, MangaUK will be the main one you see.
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Manga UK are a top notch bunch of guys, they genuinely seem to care for the fans and they are always trying to talk to us actively and are always trying to release their products at the best price they can, look at Madoka for example; only £20.71 for the whole series.

In terms of physical releases they do an amazing job and my bookcase is filled with DVDs and BRs they have been released by them. Personally I can't wait for the cost of BR authoring to drop even more that way we might see some of the shows they don't sell as well released on BR and not as DVD only.
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I've done the preliminary regional distribution. I count shorts and specials as 0.1, so this is most driven by regular series ... note that I sort by premium access first, then free access after (in parantheses:

Preliminary regional access results ... note that shorts & specials are counted as "0.1", so they do not have a substantial impact on these percentages. This is just new simulcasts, premium access first (and sorted on premium access, first), free access in parentheses.

96% (96%): US & Canada
82% (82%): South Africa
74% (74%): Australia/NZ
74% (62%): Latin America
70% (70%): UK/Eire
65% (65%): Scandinavia & Finland
53% (53%): The Netherlands & Iceland
53% (40%): Turkey
48% (35%): Rest of Middle East, Spain, Portugal, Germany & German Speaking, Italy
44% (31%): France & French Speaking & Eastern Europe
40% (27%): North Africa
35% (23%): Rest of Europe
23% (10%); Rest of Africa
14% (9%): Asia ex-Japan

Note that if the four series poached by Anime UK were available at least to Crunchyroll subscribers, the UK/Eire would be second on the list ~ 87% (70%), ~ like the UK tended to be before Anime-on-Demand started the poach-from-Crunchyroll game.
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