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I've done the preliminary regional distribution. I count shorts and specials as 0.1, so this is most driven by regular series ... note that I sort by premium access first, then free access after (in parantheses:

Preliminary regional access results ... note that shorts & specials are counted as "0.1", so they do not have a substantial impact on these percentages. This is just new simulcasts, premium access first (and sorted on premium access, first), free access in parentheses.

96% (96%): US & Canada
82% (82%): South Africa
74% (74%): Australia/NZ
74% (62%): Latin America
70% (70%): UK/Eire
65% (65%): Scandinavia & Finland
53% (53%): The Netherlands & Iceland
53% (40%): Turkey
48% (35%): Rest of Middle East, Spain, Portugal, Germany & German Speaking, Italy
44% (31%): France & French Speaking & Eastern Europe
40% (27%): North Africa
35% (23%): Rest of Europe
23% (10%); Rest of Africa
14% (9%): Asia ex-Japan

Note that if the four series poached by Anime UK were available at least to Crunchyroll subscribers, the UK/Eire would be second on the list ~ 87% (70%), ~ like the UK tended to be before Anime-on-Demand started the poach-from-Crunchyroll game.


Out of the series Animax got this season, I think Chunibyo S2 had no chance of UK availability on Crunchyroll. The first season was on TAN for the US/Canada while we got it on AoD. If Animax/AoD weren't around, it definitely would've been just another series we would have been locked out of. As for the others you can say they were poached.
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Hmmmm curious if there is a way to help you guys out. You are missing some great new anime.
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Hmmmm curious if there is a way to help you guys out. You are missing some great new anime.


I wouldn't say we're missing out on them, the problem is that our streaming services aren't quite on the same level as Crunchyroll when it comes to delivering. What's also annoying is that Funimation actually pick up rights for English territories for a significant amount of their titles but no outlet is offered to us except for when Funimation sublicenses home video rights to Manga UK. Despite having Animax and Wakanim, that problem still hasn't been solved.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: Out of the series Animax got this season, I think Chunibyo S2 had no chance of UK availability on Crunchyroll. The first season was on TAN for the US/Canada while we got it on AoD. If Animax/AoD weren't around, it definitely would've been just another series we would have been locked out of. As for the others you can say they were poached.

It's a hypothetical, but I think with nobody bidding for the UK streaming rights, there would at least be a chance. The tendency of the Japanese to respect previous relationships wouldn't apply if the previous partner is no longer in existence.

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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: Out of the series Animax got this season, I think Chunibyo S2 had no chance of UK availability on Crunchyroll. The first season was on TAN for the US/Canada while we got it on AoD. If Animax/AoD weren't around, it definitely would've been just another series we would have been locked out of. As for the others you can say they were poached.

It's a hypothetical, but I think with nobody bidding for the UK streaming rights, there would at least be a chance. The tendency of the Japanese to respect previous relationships wouldn't apply if the previous partner is no longer in existence.



There probably would've been a small chance, but considering that it is US/Canada only at the moment it seemed unlikely that we would've watched it in the UK unless they can get more regions later(still hoping for Sakura Trick).

Also, decided to look up Hamatora and Nisekoi. What they have in common is that their manga are both published by Shueisha who own Viz Media Europe, so I'm guessing Kaze/VME had dibs on them.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: There probably would've been a small chance, but considering that it is US/Canada only at the moment it seemed unlikely that we would've watched it in the UK unless they can get more regions later(still hoping for Sakura Trick).

But remember we are assuming Anime-on-Demand shutting down without Sony's AnimaxUK taking over that spot. That makes it more likely that the contract with TBS for those two writes the UK in, as in the days before Anime-on-Demand when adding the UK license was often the leading edge of getting broader international rights.


Also, decided to look up Hamatora and Nisekoi. What they have in common is that their manga are both published by Shueisha who own Viz Media Europe, so I'm guessing Kaze/VME had dibs on them.

Isn't Nisekoi Aniplex? When a Sony family licensor licenses to a Sony family licensee, it doesn't require much squinting at the company handling the licensing to work out how they landed that license.
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What I find interesting is how shows like Day Break Illusion got onto both Crunchyroll and Daisuki. I don't know the ins and outs of the licensing process but is that sheerly because Daisuki is based in Japan?
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Daisuki don't seem to be as bothered about having full exclusivity to a title. Although sometimes they go for an exclusivity period. But after that, the title is (usually?) available in both services' libraries.

So it's more like they want to be the place people go to first for some shows, but don't really care about the the "One and Only" method of access.
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What I find interesting is how shows like Day Break Illusion got onto both Crunchyroll and Daisuki. I don't know the ins and outs of the licensing process but is that sheerly because Daisuki is based in Japan?

Neither service seems overly concerned about total exclusivity. Both seem to prefer to at least have a timed exclusive, but CR certainly isn't the type to say, "If x also has it, we're not interested".

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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: There probably would've been a small chance, but considering that it is US/Canada only at the moment it seemed unlikely that we would've watched it in the UK unless they can get more regions later(still hoping for Sakura Trick).

But remember we are assuming Anime-on-Demand shutting down without Sony's AnimaxUK taking over that spot. That makes it more likely that the contract with TBS for those two writes the UK in, as in the days before Anime-on-Demand when adding the UK license was often the leading edge of getting broader international rights.


Also, decided to look up Hamatora and Nisekoi. What they have in common is that their manga are both published by Shueisha who own Viz Media Europe, so I'm guessing Kaze/VME had dibs on them.

Isn't Nisekoi Aniplex? When a Sony family licensor licenses to a Sony family licensee, it doesn't require much squinting at the company handling the licensing to work out how they landed that license.


I don't think Sony came into play on licensing Nisekoi. It certainly looks like the Shueisha-Viz Media Europe link is significant especially when both Nisekoi and Hamatora have been licensed in France and Germany by Kaze/VME. The scenario above seems more fitting for the licensing of World Conquest Zvezda Plot since that is also a Aniplex show.

To be fair, TBS aren't exactly the kind of company that like to license broader international rights to CR. CR pretty much went in unchallenged for the rights of Sakura Trick, Rozen Maiden & Stella Women's Academy yet neither of them aren't available in the UK. Kaze didn't even license these shows in France so what happened there? The latter two shows are actually available in South Africa and the Scandinavian region.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: I don't think Sony came into play on licensing Nisekoi. It certainly looks like the Shueisha-Viz Media Europe link is significant especially when both Nisekoi and Hamatora have been licensed in France and Germany by Kaze/VME. The scenario above seems more fitting for the licensing of World Conquest Zvezda Plot since that is also a Aniplex show.

Start upstream and work downstream ~ Hamatora is published by TV Tokyo and except for the UK/Eire exclusive by AnimaxUK/Sony, has one of those premium ex-Asia, free to the English Speaking Countries & Northern Europe TV Tokyo licenses, so there is something to explain there ... and the relationship between the original content creator who had a veto over a large number of production committee decisions and Shueisha, who would also be in the production committee putting money into the budget, would explain how that one goes against form for the UK/Eire, where Crunchyroll normally gets UK/Eire streaming rights licensed internationally by TV Tokyo.

Nisekoi and World Conquest Zvezda are licensed for at least part of the world by Aniplex of Japan, since Aniplex is streaming them using their own residual rights at Daisuki. We might use the relationship between the original content in Shueisha to explain how Viz Media Europe got exclusive rights to Nisekoi for its own use elsewhere in Europe, while Aniplex of Japan retained residual streaming rights in Europe outside of Germany and the UK/Eire for the World Conquest Zevda ...

... but when AnimaxUK, the UK branch of a Sony's international anime cable channel subsidiary (which in several parts of the world no longer shows Anime), gets a license from Aniplex of Japan (the merger of Sony Entertainment Music Publishing Inc, Sony Pictures Entertainment Visual Works Inc. and Sony Music Entertainment Visual Works Inc.), there's nothing more to be explained. Whomever is acting as the licensing agent is going to end up landing those rights from Aniplex/Sony for AnimaxUK/Sony.


To be fair, TBS aren't exactly the kind of company that like to license broader international rights to CR. CR pretty much went in unchallenged for the rights of Sakura Trick, Rozen Maiden & Stella Women's Academy yet neither of them aren't available in the UK. Kaze didn't even license these shows in France so what happened there? The latter two shows are actually available in South Africa and the Scandinavian region.

Weren't Rozen Maiden and Stella Women's Academy Sentai licenses? Sentai moved several years ago to picking up English Language Country and Northern Europe streaming rights, with Crunchyroll getting whatever rights are left over after other bidders go for the rights ~ Oz/NZ getting notched out by Madman for those two.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: I don't think Sony came into play on licensing Nisekoi. It certainly looks like the Shueisha-Viz Media Europe link is significant especially when both Nisekoi and Hamatora have been licensed in France and Germany by Kaze/VME. The scenario above seems more fitting for the licensing of World Conquest Zvezda Plot since that is also a Aniplex show.

Start upstream and work downstream ~ Hamatora is published by TV Tokyo and except for the UK/Eire exclusive by AnimaxUK/Sony, has one of those premium ex-Asia, free to the English Speaking Countries & Northern Europe TV Tokyo licenses, so there is something to explain there ... and the relationship between the original content creator who had a veto over a large number of production committee decisions and Shueisha, who would also be in the production committee putting money into the budget, would explain how that one goes against form for the UK/Eire, where Crunchyroll normally gets UK/Eire streaming rights licensed internationally by TV Tokyo.

Nisekoi and World Conquest Zvezda are licensed for at least part of the world by Aniplex of Japan, since Aniplex is streaming them using their own residual rights at Daisuki. We might use the relationship between the original content in Shueisha to explain how Viz Media Europe got exclusive rights to Nisekoi for its own use elsewhere in Europe, while Aniplex of Japan retained residual streaming rights in Europe outside of Germany and the UK/Eire for the World Conquest Zevda ...

... but when AnimaxUK, the UK branch of a Sony's international anime cable channel subsidiary (which in several parts of the world no longer shows Anime), gets a license from Aniplex of Japan (the merger of Sony Entertainment Music Publishing Inc, Sony Pictures Entertainment Visual Works Inc. and Sony Music Entertainment Visual Works Inc.), there's nothing more to be explained. Whomever is acting as the licensing agent is going to end up landing those rights from Aniplex/Sony for AnimaxUK/Sony.


To be fair, TBS aren't exactly the kind of company that like to license broader international rights to CR. CR pretty much went in unchallenged for the rights of Sakura Trick, Rozen Maiden & Stella Women's Academy yet neither of them aren't available in the UK. Kaze didn't even license these shows in France so what happened there? The latter two shows are actually available in South Africa and the Scandinavian region.

Weren't Rozen Maiden and Stella Women's Academy Sentai licenses? Sentai moved several years ago to picking up English Language Country and Northern Europe streaming rights, with Crunchyroll getting whatever rights are left over after other bidders go for the rights ~ Oz/NZ getting notched out by Madman for those two.


The thing is that we don't exactly know if Sony can actually get content without the assistance of Viz Media Europe since the press release didn't really mention that. It will be interesting to see the next few seasons and see if Animax does have a hold on Aniplex shows. When AoD were around they rarely licensed shows from Aniplex, except for Magi of course. If Sony can get shows themselves without VME, they should definitely get some catalog shows that haven't seen the light of day here, like Blood+, Kurozuka, Persona: Trinity Soul.

About Rozen Maiden and SWA: MVM have licensed most of the Rozen Maiden series on home video, they don't pick up digital/streaming rights because they have no use for them. SWA hasn't been picked up by any UK company so I find it strange that CR couldn't get it.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: The thing is that we don't exactly know if Sony can actually get content without the assistance of Viz Media Europe since the press release didn't really mention that.

The press release says that VME is doing the licensing, but when an agent of one of Sony's subsidiaries contacts another Sony subsidiary for rights, there is not going to be any doubt about whether the contract is going to be signed. Having Viz Media Europe acting as the licensing agent for AnimaxUK/Sony combines the relationships of Sony and the relationships of Shueisha/Shogakukan.


It will be interesting to see the next few seasons and see if Animax does have a hold on Aniplex shows. When AoD were around they rarely licensed shows from Aniplex, except for Magi of course.

Yes, and the Magi manga is a Shogakukan title, with Shogakukan the other co-owner of Viz.


If Sony can get shows themselves without VME, they should definitely get some catalog shows that haven't seen the light of day here, like Blood+, Kurozuka, Persona: Trinity Soul.

I'm not sure what you are saying here ~ clearly VME would be able to license titles on behalf of AnimaxUK that they would not be able to license on their own behalf. Licensors know who is the agent and who is the principle.


About Rozen Maiden and SWA: MVM have licensed most of the Rozen Maiden series on home video, they don't pick up digital/streaming rights because they have no use for them. SWA hasn't been picked up by any UK company so I find it strange that CR couldn't get it.

But some company may have expressed interest in SWA ~ an expression of interest from a home video distributor is all it would take, after all. Similar for Rozen Maiden ~ if MVM expressed an interest in negotiating for the title, following on their licensing of the three Nomad productions, that would likely lock the UK out unless there was an express consent for Crunchyroll to pick up the simulcast rights. Indeed, given the licenses for the prior series, it could have been the international licensor cutting out the rights simply in hope that the licensors of the previous three would pick up Rozen Maiden Z.
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: The thing is that we don't exactly know if Sony can actually get content without the assistance of Viz Media Europe since the press release didn't really mention that.

The press release says that VME is doing the licensing, but when an agent of one of Sony's subsidiaries contacts another Sony subsidiary for rights, there is not going to be any doubt about whether the contract is going to be signed. Having Viz Media Europe acting as the licensing agent for AnimaxUK/Sony combines the relationships of Sony and the relationships of Shueisha/Shogakukan.


It will be interesting to see the next few seasons and see if Animax does have a hold on Aniplex shows. When AoD were around they rarely licensed shows from Aniplex, except for Magi of course.

Yes, and the Magi manga is a Shogakukan title, with Shogakukan the other co-owner of Viz.


If Sony can get shows themselves without VME, they should definitely get some catalog shows that haven't seen the light of day here, like Blood+, Kurozuka, Persona: Trinity Soul.

I'm not sure what you are saying here ~ clearly VME would be able to license titles on behalf of AnimaxUK that they would not be able to license on their own behalf. Licensors know who is the agent and who is the principle.


About Rozen Maiden and SWA: MVM have licensed most of the Rozen Maiden series on home video, they don't pick up digital/streaming rights because they have no use for them. SWA hasn't been picked up by any UK company so I find it strange that CR couldn't get it.

But some company may have expressed interest in SWA ~ an expression of interest from a home video distributor is all it would take, after all. Similar for Rozen Maiden ~ if MVM expressed an interest in negotiating for the title, following on their licensing of the three Nomad productions, that would likely lock the UK out unless there was an express consent for Crunchyroll to pick up the simulcast rights. Indeed, given the licenses for the prior series, it could have been the international licensor cutting out the rights simply in hope that the licensors of the previous three would pick up Rozen Maiden Z.


Oh sorry, what I mean is that Sony/Animax are known to own some series but they are notoriously difficult to license, so why don't they also provide their content to Animax UK?
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MrJoMiMo92 wrote: Oh sorry, what I mean is that Sony/Animax are known to own some series but they are notoriously difficult to license, so why don't they also provide their content to Animax UK?

Recall that as a cable and satellite channel operator (primarily), Animax is the licensee for the series when they hold the rights, so whether they have the right to stream a series to the UK is a matter of whether the UK was included in their streaming rights in their existing contract. If so, it would be straightforward. If not, it would require a new contract ~ and given contracting costs, if they were catalog titles that would normally require a package deal.

And there is a dog-in-the-manger situation, where Animax rights in some European countries prevents a competitor from being able to put together a deal that is attractive enough to land a contract, but there isn't enough revenue potential in the European countries that Animax does not hold the rights to to justify Animax signing a new contract either. That's just one of your financial black holes that sometimes happens in licensing.


Sonicrainbooom_BOOM wrote: What I find interesting is how shows like Day Break Illusion got onto both Crunchyroll and Daisuki. I don't know the ins and outs of the licensing process but is that sheerly because Daisuki is based in Japan?

Daisuki is a partnership of six companies that are members of production committees that end up with the international rights ... so when Crunchyroll gets a direct license, they would be some of the companies that Crunchyroll would be negotiating with for a contract.

Since the partners start out with the rights to some or all of the world outside Japan, inside that international area, the only limits they face in what they can show on Daisuki is what exclusive rights they have signed over in a contract. So if they have offered Crunchyroll non-exclusive streaming rights for North America ~ or Sentai or Aniplex of America or NIS America ~ then they can also stream to North America. On the other hand, if AnimaxUK has contracted for exclusive rights in the UK/Eire, then Daisuki cannot stream to the UK/Eire.

Aniplex of Japan tried holding onto an exclusive window for one or more of its simulcasts in the Fall season, but that might not have made as much money as the series they allowed Crunchyroll to simulcast, since it doesn't look like they repeated that experiment this Winter season.
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