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I subscribe to this definition of moe. From ANN's lexicon:


Moe
: 萌え 【もえ】
Moe is a Japanese term used in connection with manga or anime to describe something precious, usually (but not always) the ideal of youthful and innocent femininity. Written with the kanji for "to bud or sprout" (萌), the concept covers a range of ideal behaviour for youthful female characters in manga or anime. To be moe, a character can be eager or perky, not overly independent, and call forth a desire in the viewer to protect them and nurture them. The term is also used to describe any preciously cute item; there is an animal mascot character store in Tokyo called Moe.

There is a lot of debate over the crossover between moe fandom and lolicon. While the crossover exists among fans and products the two genres are not synonymous.

See also: kawaii


Link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=77

@Insomnist - Yeah, I agree with your take as well. It is more than a defined category of things like you mention, and the feeling of moe can come forth from non female, or even non human, characters too. Older female characters can also be considered moe, for example the mother/aunt, Touwa Meme, in Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko.
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My definition of moe is a way to make money in the current Anime economy. I wouldn't say that it's a needless trait, but I think things could be done without too much of pantsu, spit stringing, and the like. I like tits as much as the next guy, but does it have to be bodaciously zero gravity bouncing like that for a normal walking stride? Also, do we really need an underage flat girl that does something obscure and adorable somewhere in the picture every time?

HNNNNNNNNNNG? The diabetic effects of such characters on me has been so diluted so much with the moe oversaturated market.

(I'm probably confusing "moe" and "fanservice" again, but the two have a direct relationship. "WHATEVS_LAWL")


Yeah, you are conflating fanservice with moe. While there can be overlap, they are not one and the same thing.

ANN's lexicon defines it as such:

Fan service
Fan service is the act of adding something with no direct relevance to the story or character development into an anime (or manga) for the purpose of pleasing fans.

The most common form of fan service is the addition of scenes of scantily clothed, seductively posed, well-endowed women, or something similar (panty shots), also common in anime and especially manga aimed at female readers are similar situations involving male characters.

However, fan service does not have to be sexual in nature. Other forms of fanservice include gratuitous amounts of detailed mecha transformation scenes, mascot placings and so-on.


Link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/lexicon.php?id=54

I don't fully agree with fanservice elements being added in as an afterthought in all cases, it is a part of the story sometimes. That said, it certainly gets added in some instances where it was not present in the source material for the anime.
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Posted 1/8/14 , edited 1/8/14

zendude wrote:


Insomnist wrote:

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That is a really pretty post. "LAWL"


My definition of moe is a way to make money in the current Anime economy. I wouldn't say that it's a needless trait, but I think things could be done without too much of pantsu, spit stringing, and the like. I like tits as much as the next guy, but does it have to be bodaciously zero gravity bouncing like that for a normal walking stride? Also, do we really need an underage flat girl somewhere in the picture every time?

HNNNNNNNNNNG? The diabetic effects of such characters on me has been so diluted so much with the moe oversaturated market.

(I'm probably confusing "moe" and "fanservice" again, but the two hae a direct relationship.)

That's the thing though; finding a moe character attractive is fine, but moe itself is entirely separate from being sexually enticing. If someone's flapping their boobs in your face or giving the camera a panty shot, it's not moe.

It's usually a pretty clear distinction by comparison, it's the difference between Queen's Blade and K-On!.

The first is just sexually gratuitous, while the second is adorable to the point of saccharinity.


Although it is getting harder to tell sometimes, with ecchi slipping its tentacles into almost everything.
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Posted 1/8/14 , edited 1/29/15

sonic720 wrote:

Yeah, you are conflating fanservice with moe. While there can be overlap, they are not one and the same thing.


Wow. You went lenghty and did citations on that post huh. "LAWL"


Insomnist wrote:

Although it is getting harder to tell sometimes, with ecchi slipping its tentacles into almost everything.


I said that right. Yeah. I said that. "LAWL"

I guess that I should've included that I'm tired of the very predictable archetypes and missed the days of old where shows don't rely on doey eyed characters and such. That would've sounded a bit different. But, yeah. Don't mind my rant.

So much in rearing my head in the forums once in the while. "LAWL"


But seriously, that's a really pretty post.
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Posted 1/8/14 , edited 1/29/15

zendude wrote:


Insomnist wrote:

Although it is getting harder to tell sometimes, with ecchi slipping its tentacles into almost everything.


I said that right. Yeah. I said that. "LAWL"

I guess that I should've included that I'm tired of the very predictable archetypes and missed the days of old where shows don't rely on doey eyed characters and such.

Ah, gotcha.

Yeah I can totally agree with you on that.
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Moe is a feeling, its when you get a erection in your heart
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Moe is a feeling, its when you get a erection in your heart


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WHAT IS MOE!! Baby don't hurt me! Don't hurt me no moe!! ...dahn dahn dahn dahn dahn....



Made me lo so much. And sing along with you.
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Oh, I learnt so much from reading this thread... so it's not a fetish... *noted*
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i never understood what moe means too. i always thought its when someone acts really cute (or is actually really cute) that you kinda wanna punch them.
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Oh, I learnt so much from reading this thread... so it's not a fetish... *noted*

My job here is done. Time for breakfast.

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Moe is Moe.



lol.
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"Moe" describes any character that was specifically designed to manipulate the viewer into forming an emotional bond with that character. Basically Moe makes you fall in love with the character. Fan service will excite the viewer but without the emotional component.
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Moe is more of a who than a what, but in the pic of Moe two posts above both questions still apply.
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