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Anime quality decreasing rapidly?
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Posted 1/9/14 , edited 1/9/14
Right.. So you chose DBZ to immediately make no sense of what I'm saying. Congratulations.


DBZ had great storytelling. GOKU didn't turn super saiyan on episode 10 and kill Buu at episode 25. Also, a shounen is irrelevant to what I'm looking for, just was giving credit where it's due.



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Eh? It's HOW they're telling these stories. Magi, for example, has an excellent concept. But the way they are deciding to produce it in the longrun is awful.

"Let's see how fast we can get through 25 episodes.... and let's throw a boss in there."


A lot of companies have to do this because of their budgets. They have to plan it this way so they don't drop the story mid way with no certainty of a season 2.
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Maybe less is more. I get it what they're doing. But I feel like I can't find a source to grab anime that doesn't fall into these production pitfalls.
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chrome_mist wrote:


Auechre wrote:

Darker than Black, Trigun, Berserk, Hellsing, D. Gray Man, Claymore, Vampire Hunter D, Deathnote, Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Ball Z, Cowboy Bebop, Mushishi, Monster, FMA.

Just to name a few. "


Anime does NOT come out like these anymore. And each of these were great at storytelling AND animation in their own original way more or less.



These are all great. I like you.
But tbh if you don't watch anime for the sake of trying to find
something that that would be better than the classics,
then maybe you'd find something worth watching.

Space Brothers, Kids on the Slope, Rainbow and Steins;Gate
just to name a few. The style of storytelling has dramatically changed since then.
If you learned to accept that fact, it'd be much easier for your anime watching experience.




I never intend to compare "to classics," but to well told animation.. I'm really perceptive to thorough and shallow stories. Not enough substance. Those were just off the top of my head. I could go back and list more that aren't so obvious but still really good. My point is that these 25 episode "let's change the hair color and make a new environment" is a little absurd. I'm not saying that some aren't decent, like attack on titan. But it's not great... by any means.. just a time waster.
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I see his point though I find myself constantly having to leave crunchyroll to watch animes they dont have or removed that I really am interested in. There's some really good ones here but it's definitely not a majority. Speaking of which I was really looking forward to watching Clannad when I had the time here and it appears to have been removed if this is true yet another I will have to watch somewhere else to see if worth getting into, it seemed like a good one.
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gensin wrote:

I see his point though I find myself constantly having to leave crunchyroll to watch animes they dont have or removed that I really am interested in. There's some really good ones here but it's definitely not a majority. Speaking of which I was really looking forward to watching Clannad when I had the time here and it appears to have been removed if this is true yet another I will have to watch somewhere else to see if worth getting into, it seemed like a good one.



This is e x a c t l y my point. I'm not saying crunchyroll has all terrible anime in its catalog, either. But anything that is good I've already seen and 'practically' anything new is leaving me hanging.

Honestly, I'm easily amused. Just why make so many shortcuts on an awesome adventure or story in general. Don't condense or rush, just let it flow. And f'k budgets XD
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Editing the quote into a spoiler here.

I must ask. What shows are making you angry? What are you actually watching? What are you looking for? What do you expect?

Do you actually know how storytelling works? Have you seen all the anime of the 80's and 90's as well? Are you a huge Manga fan?

If you wish to rip on the consistent use of Generic Brown-Haired guy and his older and apparently super sexy Generic Blue-haired Brother than by all means, I'll join you.

If you've ever wondered why you could get a figure/statue/poster of any female anime character ever, but can't for the life of God find a single Shinji. What? I FUCKING CAN'T. If they made a Shinji Figma I would buy ALL the NGE Figmas, but do they? Hell no! They'd rather make Magane-Fetish Girl a new NGE Girl, and sell thousands of her. She has 2 Figma's already! Fuck, even Rei only has 1! That's Marketing at it's finest!
Don't even get me started on the more and more Generic fellows, anything out of Sunrise since Code Geass has been a Gundam Clone WITHOUT the Gundam Name, because why fix what's always watchable?

Hell, get tired of School Romances all you want, if they ever provide a reasonable ending I'll suggest you watch it...but that's a rare thing.

Studio Madhouse doesn't go for "Dark and Screwed up" animation, it's not their baggage. They're a bright colors and great detailed animation. Shit in motion looks best when animated by Madhouse, I'll stand by that. They're just that good at keeping things consistent and having proper animation for every scene. Sure sure it's not "Dark" but HxH isn't that dark a premise! The author goes on Hiatus for so long, I think he forgets what genre HxH is every time he comes back.

Magi is rushing through, but that's a good thing. Sure sure they could pad it out, I'd love to spend time watching that. But in the end, they don't, and that increases the shows worth.
Unlike Log Horizon, Magi provides exposition, humor, and character development all at the same time, while Log Horizon gives it piece meal. "Video game exposition! Joke! Characters! Exposition again! More Jokes! Fighting action! Joke!" is the entire strand of Log Horizon. It insults me with how slow it moves.
While Magi moves so quick, I have to rewatch the episode right after I saw it to get everything out of the experience, that's a good thing.

If you wish to start a discussion about the quality of Anime, I'll argue with you as long as it's productive. The quality, accessibility, and sheer range of titles are of far higher quality than the 90's had.

Stories havn't improved since Odysseus was first told, a Story is a Story, an adaptation an adaptation, and adaptations have improved.
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Auechre wrote:

Anime does NOT come out like these anymore.


You answered your own question. Moving on.
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You literally named some of the most well-known and well-regarded anime in existence. Please don't be one of those anime fans who expects masterpieces to be produced every year or on some set schedule. Also, there's no way you can tell me that you knew right from the start of these shows that they'd be great. Give new stuff some time to grow on you.

I don't know how much anime you've seen but if you haven't seen this list then you should:

http://maihopawango.tumblr.com/post/56565265692
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Posted 1/9/14 , edited 1/9/14

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But I would like to ask if anyone here knows where I can find other anime perhaps released this year? Maybe on the more mature side? With plot? Original story line? A "good storyline" pace- not one that fast forwards 3 years in the future every other 5 episodes.

Someone just watched Shin Sekai Yori.

But I think three things:

  1. The ratio of good-to-bad anime is relatively constant, but
  2. there's an oscillation between innovation and refinement, and
  3. worse storytelling exists during high innovation.

We are, I think, approaching a peak in innovation in that cycle. We've been seeing some crazy beautiful anime lately, and just the animation in Attack on Titan alone is practically revolutionary. But with studios pounding everything they can out of their animators, the focus will be drawn away a bit from other areas (and likely funding as well).

When the cycle ebbs away from innovation back towards refinement, we'll see story quality improve again.

It's not like we're in a total drought, though. From the past year I'd point to:

  • Attack on Titan (despite pacing, ★★★½).
  • Chihayafuru 2 (★★★★★).
  • Genshiken Nidaime (★★★½).
  • Hunter x Hunter (☆☆☆☆☆, only know by reputation).
  • Kyousougiga (★★★★½).
  • Monogatari 2nd Season (second half, ★★★★★).
  • Psycho-Pass (second half, ★★★★½).
  • Shin Sekai Yori (first half, ★★★★).
  • Sunday Without God (first half, ★★★★½).
  • Yozakura Quartet: Hana no Uta (★★★½).

Point scores will be biased, but I thought all of these had more than competent stories. And if we went back through anime by year, ranking by story quality, I think 10 would be about the average you could expect to find, if not less. If someone takes it upon themselves to prove me wrong, great; it'll give me a list of things to add to my plan-to-watch list.

There's also a certain perception bias at play, where we effectively group everything in the past into "the past" and treat it as a single body of work, even if it spans 10 or 20 years. If you take everything you think is great from back then, and actually average it out by year, I think you'll realize there was plenty of shit put on TV back then too, just like now.

Kind of wish I could sort my MAL/Hummingbird/AniList by year.

Also, we had some great movies this year:

  • Ame and Yuki: Wolf Children (★★★★★).
  • Berserk, Golden Age Arc III: The Descent (★★★½).
  • Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo (★★★★½).
  • Mardock Scramble: The Third Exhaust (★★★★).

There are probably others I haven't caught up with yet as well.

Edit: I should note that I'm counting series by the year they ended/aired during, not when they started.
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Posted 1/9/14 , edited 1/9/14

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I don't know how much anime you've seen but if you haven't seen this list then you should:

http://maihopawango.tumblr.com/post/56565265692


My point being majority of those aren't on crunchyroll Impressive collection their though lol
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What the hell does any of the shows being on CR have to do with anything? CR can't license everything. Knock, knock, hello people. Anime is a business not some utopia where everything just falls into your lap.
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http://eyeonanime.com/magi/

Magi is good

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Just about all of them are LOL. I don't know! It's hard to explain as they just feel shallow. Like they're letting the animation do all the work and creating this lackluster story around it. They don't drag you in or make you really wonder what's going to happen next. Not to be amused to watch the next episode, but to feel compelled.

Just looking for a solid anime, really. Claymore or Monster might be the best example. Very short series but seemed to get its feel and character development together really efficiently. D. Grayman was intriguing to me as it had a well-told, mature(ish) world without going too overboard on the amount of episodes.

Doesn't need to be dark and screwed up, just some edge to it. There's been GREAT stuff in the 2000's as well. It just seems to me in the last 2-4 years something has changed and alot of original, budgeted attempts have started to dissipate.
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Posted 1/9/14 , edited 1/9/14

kufirst wrote:

What the hell does any of the shows being on CR have to do with anything? CR can't license everything. Knock, knock, hello people. Anime is a business not some utopia where everything just falls into your lap.


Hence why I make this thread to request help to find better shows that perhaps CR can't license. They seem to simulcast most of the stuff airing on Japan's networds, but I'd hope there were some independent producers shelling out some awesome titles.
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