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Well silly, why didn't you say you needed help in the first place instead of instigating rather frivolous discussion?

Here try this:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-7173/recommend-me-an-anime-read-first-post
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Monster might be the best example. Very short series




I don't think we watched the same series because if my memory serves me right,
Monster has 74 episodes and that is not what one would normally call very short.

But I do get what you're saying, that a lot of anime these days
depend on the production in order to sell. Your reasoning is still flawed though,
as there are also a lot of anime that were released in recent years that
have both brilliant production and sharp storytelling. Fate / Zero is a great example.

Again, I advise you to watch anime for the sake of just watching it.
Don't do it to compare it to the classics, because that is exactly what you're doing.


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CR and Funimation will have the lion's share of what's available for streaming in the US. There's also ANN's catalog, which I haven't used as yet, and Daisuki (although I don't think they have anything that CR and Funimation doesn't also).


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Just about all of them are LOL. I don't know! It's hard to explain as they just feel shallow. Like they're letting the animation do all the work and creating this lackluster story around it. They don't drag you in or make you really wonder what's going to happen next. Not to be amused to watch the next episode, but to feel compelled.

I feel like this sometimes too, the first episode of Nobunagun this season was the first thing to really grip me in awhile. But part of that is that we can marathon older series. If we had to wait a week between episodes for those as well, I think we'd get just as apathetic about it. Sometimes I wonder if it's anime that's different, or if we're all just way too cynical.
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Auechre wrote:

Just about all of them are LOL. I don't know! It's hard to explain as they just feel shallow. Like they're letting the animation do all the work and creating this lackluster story around it. They don't drag you in or make you really wonder what's going to happen next. Not to be amused to watch the next episode, but to feel compelled.

Just looking for a solid anime, really. Claymore or Monster might be the best example. Very short series but seemed to get its feel and character development together really efficiently. D. Grayman was intriguing to me as it had a well-told, mature(ish) world without going too overboard on the amount of episodes.

Doesn't need to be dark and screwed up, just some edge to it. There's been GREAT stuff in the 2000's as well. It just seems to me in the last 2-4 years something has changed and alot of original, budgeted attempts have started to dissipate.


First off, I'm really liking the heavy stream of conversation this thread generated, nice topic and keep on arguing yo side.

Next, EXPLAIN! Why do they feel shallow? What are you expecting or trying to get out of them? I agree that a lot of shows are letting their animation do the talking, but that's just a style.

I've been having a blast with Kill la Kill, which is far deeper and far more shallow than a show should ever be. You can tell it's being animated by a lot of professional and experienced animators, WHILE they're a fledgling company without a budget. They let the story and characters do the talking, and those characters talk with their fists. THAT is something I wanted.

Claymore and Monster lean slightly more towards the Seinen demographic, have you been watching shows of that nature? They're not the most common I'll grant you, but they're out their and you'll find them easily if you looked.

What studio's do you like? What Directors do you prefer? Just what are you looking to get out of your anime man?

Explain! Take your fingers and throw words out onto the computer, and we'll decipher best we can. Don't just go "eeeh, it's hard!" you're clearly invested in the conversation, it's your rant!

aaaand I rant too easily.
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kufirst wrote:

What the hell does any of the shows being on CR have to do with anything? CR can't license everything. Knock, knock, hello people. Anime is a business not some utopia where everything just falls into your lap.


Hence why I make this thread to request help to find better shows that perhaps CR can't license. They seem to simulcast most of the stuff airing on Japan's networds, but I'd hope there were some independent producers shelling out some awesome titles.



Wait, this was your intention all along.
To find good titles that aren't on CR. Welp.
This thread gon' be locked soon.


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Insomnist wrote:

I feel like this sometimes too, the first episode of Nobunagun this season was the first thing to really grip me in awhile. But part of that is that we can marathon older series. If we had to wait a week between episodes for those as well, I think we'd get just as apathetic about it. Sometimes I wonder if it's anime that's different, or if we're all just way too cynical.


You can never be to cynical, and nobody is ever critical enough.
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kufirst wrote:

Well silly, why didn't you say you needed help in the first place instead of instigating rather frivolous discussion?

Here try this:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-7173/recommend-me-an-anime-read-first-post


Cause I'm angry xD I bookmarked your last link. Saw some in there I'll try to find Thank you!

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kufirst wrote:

You literally named some of the most well-known and well-regarded anime in existence. Please don't be one of those anime fans who expects masterpieces to be produced every year or on some set schedule. Also, there's no way you can tell me that you knew right from the start of these shows that they'd be great. Give new stuff some time to grow on you.

I don't know how much anime you've seen but if you haven't seen this list then you should:

http://maihopawango.tumblr.com/post/56565265692


Seriously. News flash, when all of those anime came out? They were surrounded with crap as well. We always only remember the really good(or really, really bad) series.

The cream of the crop is always remembered.......
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kufirst wrote:

What the hell does any of the shows being on CR have to do with anything? CR can't license everything. Knock, knock, hello people. Anime is a business not some utopia where everything just falls into your lap.


*answers the door* So whats the point of watching them on CR, I could always just look up a list on wikipedia and google some random site. It's especially useless if my opinion should stay to myself and not be taken into consideration. Or that other guys for that matter Though I think he had a slightly different view on it than I do. I still like crunchy roll so don't get me wrong, I have found some diamonds in the rough here for sure. Just wish they had moved in a different direction with their selections sometimes is all. *Closes door*
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chrome_mist wrote:


Auechre wrote:

Monster might be the best example. Very short series




I don't think we watched the same series because if my memory serves me right,
Monster has 74 episodes and that is not what one would normally call very short.

But I do get what you're saying, that a lot of anime these days
depend on the production in order to sell. Your reasoning is still flawed though,
as there are also a lot of anime that were released in recent years that
have both brilliant production and sharp storytelling. Fate / Zero is a great example.

Again, I advise you to watch anime for the sake of just watching it.
Don't do it to compare it to the classics, because that is exactly what you're doing.




Yes, but 74 isn't shounen, however, and it's enough to complete a gripping storyline. And at the end of my list I stated "just to name a few"

Fate / Zero was an awesome show-- also would be on my list. But that is still before the period of rather bleak anime.


And I meant about finding "information" in shows. Not where I can download, stream, or w/e. Stop being an instigator
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Insomnist wrote:

I feel like this sometimes too, the first episode of Nobunagun this season was the first thing to really grip me in awhile. But part of that is that we can marathon older series. If we had to wait a week between episodes for those as well, I think we'd get just as apathetic about it. Sometimes I wonder if it's anime that's different, or if we're all just way too cynical.


You can never be to cynical, and nobody is ever critical enough.

HEAR THAT JAPAN? FELSTALKER IS CALLING ALL OF YOU OUT. MAKE SOME BETTER ANIME. AND MAKE SOME MORE OF YOURSELVES TOO. MAKE ANIME AND MAKE BABIES. IT'LL BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
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gensin wrote:

*answers the door* So whats the point of watching them on CR, I could always just look up a list on wikipedia and google some random site. It's especially useless if my opinion should stay to myself and not be taken into consideration. Or that other guys for that matter Though I think he had a slightly different view on it than I do. I still like crunchy roll so don't get me wrong, I have found some diamonds in the rough here for sure. Just wish they had moved in a different direction with their selections sometimes is all. *Closes door*


They can't be too picky with their selections. Sometimes other companies grabb'em, sometimes they can't make the deal, other times it wouldn't be worth it.

I'm sure their are a few series with so small a view base, that nobody carries them. Just as their are companies that go out of their way, like Funimation, to obtain the most marketable and prolific anime they can grab. I was surprised they didn't get SAO, but they grabbed AoT well enough.

I wish CR offered a bit better on the Dubbing side for older shows, but it's not too big a deal for me. Most of the 80's are better subb'ed, and you have to ride a slippery slope with 90's Dub's, either they're amazing or meh.
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Auechre wrote:

Stop being an instigator :P



Caught me in the act!


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Felstalker wrote:
You can never be to cynical, and nobody is ever critical enough.

HEAR THAT JAPAN? FELSTALKER IS CALLING ALL OF YOU OUT. MAKE SOME BETTER ANIME. AND MAKE SOME MORE OF YOURSELVES TOO. MAKE ANIME AND MAKE BABIES. IT'LL BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.


What can I say? I'm more of a critic than a fan. If I see another Guilty Crown, I'm going to start a review show on Youtube just to bash the series for 50 Minutes and have 3 people see the video and go "You're being way to harsh on it man"
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Insomnist wrote:

HEAR THAT JAPAN? FELSTALKER IS CALLING ALL OF YOU OUT. MAKE SOME BETTER ANIME. AND MAKE SOME MORE OF YOURSELVES TOO. MAKE ANIME AND MAKE BABIES. IT'LL BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.



I choked.


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