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Yes, but 74 isn't shounen, however, and it's enough to complete a gripping storyline. And at the end of my list I stated "just to name a few"

Fate / Zero was an awesome show-- also would be on my list. But that is still before the period of rather bleak anime.


And I meant about finding "information" in shows. Not where I can download, stream, or w/e. Stop being an instigator :P


Shounen is a demographic, I think you're just looking for a long runner here.

And yeah, I really want to see an anime with an ending and a lot of fun side stories too, but you don't get "The Slayers" or "Ranma 1/2" all the time.

You got to take your picks, watch that Soul Eater and that Arakawa Under the Bridge.

I want to see more Eureka 7's in where THE STORY ACTUALLY PROVIDES ME WITH AN ENDING, WINK FUCKIN WINK. But I'll have to take those when they come to me. Too many studio's are keeping things open for a second season, Sometimes I just have to look at Sunrises latest Gundam Clone if I want to get a show that actually ends.
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Basically another old anime > new anime

"teh noes anime is dyiiiiiing"

There are lots of good animes that come out each year and if you honestly can't find them then you're not looking hard enough. You might want to check out upto date anime bloggers to see what the season has to offer. Random Curiosity http://randomc.net/ is a good way to start as they have larger coverage than other blogs. You can also check http://animenano.com/ and check the new results regularly.
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Just about all of them are LOL. I don't know! It's hard to explain as they just feel shallow. Like they're letting the animation do all the work and creating this lackluster story around it. They don't drag you in or make you really wonder what's going to happen next. Not to be amused to watch the next episode, but to feel compelled.

Just looking for a solid anime, really. Claymore or Monster might be the best example. Very short series but seemed to get its feel and character development together really efficiently. D. Grayman was intriguing to me as it had a well-told, mature(ish) world without going too overboard on the amount of episodes.

Doesn't need to be dark and screwed up, just some edge to it. There's been GREAT stuff in the 2000's as well. It just seems to me in the last 2-4 years something has changed and alot of original, budgeted attempts have started to dissipate.


First off, I'm really liking the heavy stream of conversation this thread generated, nice topic and keep on arguing yo side.

Next, EXPLAIN! Why do they feel shallow? What are you expecting or trying to get out of them? I agree that a lot of shows are letting their animation do the talking, but that's just a style.

I've been having a blast with Kill la Kill, which is far deeper and far more shallow than a show should ever be. You can tell it's being animated by a lot of professional and experienced animators, WHILE they're a fledgling company without a budget. They let the story and characters do the talking, and those characters talk with their fists. THAT is something I wanted.

Claymore and Monster lean slightly more towards the Seinen demographic, have you been watching shows of that nature? They're not the most common I'll grant you, but they're out their and you'll find them easily if you looked.

What studio's do you like? What Directors do you prefer? Just what are you looking to get out of your anime man?

Explain! Take your fingers and throw words out onto the computer, and we'll decipher best we can. Don't just go "eeeh, it's hard!" you're clearly invested in the conversation, it's your rant!

aaaand I rant too easily.


Haha man.. I can't keep up xD. Well, they seem to do little to introduce and extrapolate upon the worlds they create. No sense of immersion. More like being teleported and watching in 2D instead of 3D. No connection. Lack of seriousness in the right moments?

Hehe if only they'd make anime like they did Breaking Bad, where every detail that is portrayed is important to the end. Instead of these seemingly linear plotlines.

Kill la Kill seemed interesting. Wasn't sure if I was digging the academic environment the first episode placed it in. Not so familiar with directors besides the guy from studio Ghibli, but that's more movie oriented. I want some sauce outta my anime man! Some awesomesauce.
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My favorite blogger is Enzo; I should try and find some others.

Random Curiosity seems like a good place to start.
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Also I just want to reiterate I don't think older anime is better than new.

It's more like "around Year 2008-2010-current, some people forgot how to make awesome shit." XD
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Enzo also posts in Random Curiosity... at least for the shows that he covers in both blogs.
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Auechre wrote:

But I would like to ask if anyone here knows where I can find other anime perhaps released this year? Maybe on the more mature side? With plot? Original story line? A "good storyline" pace- not one that fast forwards 3 years in the future every other 5 episodes.

Someone just watched Shin Sekai Yori.

But I think three things:

  1. The ratio of good-to-bad anime is relatively constant, but
  2. there's an oscillation between innovation and refinement, and
  3. worse storytelling exists during high innovation.

We are, I think, approaching a peak in innovation in that cycle. We've been seeing some crazy beautiful anime lately, and just the animation in Attack on Titan alone is practically revolutionary. But with studios pounding everything they can out of their animators, the focus will be drawn away a bit from other areas (and likely funding as well).

When the cycle ebbs away from innovation back towards refinement, we'll see story quality improve again.

It's not like we're in a total drought, though. From the past year I'd point to:

  • Attack on Titan (despite pacing, ★★★½).
  • Chihayafuru 2 (★★★★★).
  • Genshiken Nidaime (★★★½).
  • Hunter x Hunter (☆☆☆☆☆, only know by reputation).
  • Kyousougiga (★★★★½).
  • Monogatari 2nd Season (second half, ★★★★★).
  • Psycho-Pass (second half, ★★★★½).
  • Shin Sekai Yori (first half, ★★★★).
  • Sunday Without God (first half, ★★★★½).
  • Yozakura Quartet: Hana no Uta (★★★½).

Point scores will be biased, but I thought all of these had more than competent stories. And if we went back through anime by year, ranking by story quality, I think 10 would be about the average you could expect to find, if not less. If someone takes it upon themselves to prove me wrong, great; it'll give me a list of things to add to my plan-to-watch list.

There's also a certain perception bias at play, where we effectively group everything in the past into "the past" and treat it as a single body of work, even if it spans 10 or 20 years. If you take everything you think is great from back then, and actually average it out by year, I think you'll realize there was plenty of shit put on TV back then too, just like now.

Kind of wish I could sort my MAL/Hummingbird/AniList by year.

Also, we had some great movies this year:

  • Ame and Yuki: Wolf Children (★★★★★).
  • Berserk, Golden Age Arc III: The Descent (★★★½).
  • Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo (★★★★½).
  • Mardock Scramble: The Third Exhaust (★★★★).

There are probably others I haven't caught up with yet as well.

Edit: I should note that I'm counting series by the year they ended/aired during, not when they started.



But here's the thing. Originality is NOT hard. You get the character designs. Create a world. Elaborate, but not too much. Set up a conclusive beginning and end. Even if it's a 25 episode season, set it up for an awesome 2nd season. Perhaps at episode 50 you get... dun dun dun.. a complete story. I feel like they've gotten lazy


I'm hoping ^ this is the reason why. It makes sense, BUT, if it's wrong then we're basically stuck with subpar refinement until people demand more quality.
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Haha man.. I can't keep up xD. Well, they seem to do little to introduce and extrapolate upon the worlds they create. No sense of immersion. More like being teleported and watching in 2D instead of 3D. No connection. Lack of seriousness in the right moments?

Hehe if only they'd make anime like they did Breaking Bad, where every detail that is portrayed is important to the end. Instead of these seemingly linear plotlines.

Kill la Kill seemed interesting. Wasn't sure if I was digging the academic environment the first episode placed it in. Not so familiar with directors besides the guy from studio Ghibli, but that's more movie oriented. I want some sauce outta my anime man! Some awesomesauce.


Indeed indeed, thought requires more thought no?

The mention of Breaking Bad is interesting. I don't know if you've noticed, but American Media has become really character based in the last few years. Walking Dead, Spartacus, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Community(had to, love that show)
American writing has a focus on character stories and studies, instead of the more Japanese narrative driven stories.

Say, Breaking Bad was just as much a bout how characters interacting, as it was about the Tragedy of Walter White, and i use Tragedy in the classical way of "Heroes downfall into villainy"

Which is why I like Hiroyuki Imaishi, the director behind Kill la KIll, Gurren Lagann, and Panty&Stocking with Garterbelt.

He has a very American way of directing and writing, WHILE still being a narrative piece. It's a strange combination.

Unlike say, Cowboy Bebop's creator Shinichiro Watanbe who's entire style is emulating American media as best he possibly can, with the help of Japanese people who might not understand his crazy ways.

People are odd, we want different things.
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AMC and HBO are about the only networks that produce some next level shit. Most American media is incomprehensible. lol. I haven't really given his works a shot, but I'll give em a go with your recommendation ^__^

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From what you're saying it sounds like you're fed up with the romcom anime on crunchyroll, If you are tired of all the happy go lucky anime with lots of colour etc my suggestion is to watch the anime listen below if you haven't already (I know they aren't new and most people have seen them but even if you've just not seen one it's something to watch)

Pretty dark, good anime

Afro Samurai
Death Note
Attack On Titan
Gungrave
Cowboy Bebop


Not so dark but still good


Soul Eater
Space Brothers
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From what you're saying it sounds like you're fed up with the romcom anime on crunchyroll, If you are tired of all the happy go lucky anime with lots of colour etc my suggestion is to watch the anime listen below if you haven't already (I know they aren't new and most people have seen them but even if you've just not seen one it's something to watch)

Pretty dark, good anime

Afro Samurai
Death Note
Attack On Titan
Gungrave
Cowboy Bebop


Not so dark but still good


Soul Eater
Space Brothers


Seen em already

I do find romcom tedious, but that's a genre of preference anyway. hehe. although yea something along those lines would be nice.

Color is awesome too btw! I love seeing details like that, but animators need to learn/remember they can still have that vibrancy with a more gripping, darker undertone that proceeds with the story.
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Auechre wrote:

But here's the thing. Originality is NOT hard. You get the character designs. Create a world. Elaborate, but not too much. Set up a conclusive beginning and end. Even if it's a 25 episode season, set it up for an awesome 2nd season. Perhaps at episode 50 you get... dun dun dun.. a complete story. I feel like they've gotten lazy


I'm hoping ^ this is the reason why. It makes sense, BUT, if it's wrong then we're basically stuck with subpar refinement until people demand more quality.

Honestly, I think originality is potentially one of the hardest things on the planet, and I also think anime breeds it better than any other industry because it (and manga, and light novels) are so cut-throat. But the drawback to all that pressure is lack of time. Manga gets churned out at a ridiculous rate, as do light novels. Even when these people live and breathe their worlds there's only so much time in the day, and if they slack off someone else is itching to take their place.

It's not exactly a conductive environment to creating works that'd rival Shakespeare.

This is just me, but I'm wondering if the industry just has to slow down a little for really great stories to happen by design instead of by accident or happenstance. I'm not sure what development is like behind American TV, but I wonder if shows like Breaking Bad are what they are because of differences in preproduction. But I honestly don't know enough about how things are done here or in Japan to make any kind of informed pronouncement either way. I'm just kind of curious.

Another thing is I think anime doesn't really expect that kind of thing of itself often. We expect it of them, but I'm not sure they expect it of themselves. Anime has always been--effectively--a form of disposable entertainment; so if they can keep enough people watching for 30 minutes I think their job is effectively done. My understanding is that the anime industry doesn't even really rely on private purchases much domestically; most sales are to rental stores, not people.

So basically their aim is to make something that enough people will watch once, not something that plenty of people will buy and rewatch at home. Although that certainly helps, it's not what the industry is built to cater towards.

(My understanding is limited though, don't take this as fact. It's more just what I've pieced together.)
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Color is awesome too btw! I love seeing details like that, but animators need to learn/remember they can still have that vibrancy with a more gripping, darker undertone that proceeds with the story.


I agree, I really like the dark scenes in anime I think they leave more of an impact which I think is the reason why I am such a fan of Attack on Titan. I watched Attack on Titan with a friend and during the darker scenes they were confused as to why I was enjoying those scenes so much as he likes a lot lighter anime like SAO etc.

The scenes in Attack on Titan like


If you've seen Gungrave and all the other anime I suggested you should probably find an anime you might like then go to youtube and watch anime reviews to see what they're like or look in related videos to Death Note etc on youtube & see what anime are suggested

EDIT: just thought of Hellsing if you've not seen that
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I'm closing this thread because it seems to be part personal rant (rather than an actual discussion opener regarding quality of recent anime--about which there might even already be a thread), and part request for recommendation, which should should be posted in the Recommend Me an Anime thread.

I haven't read through all the replies to see if you've in fact received any specific recommendations for anime to watch this season, so if you are still looking for suggestions, please do post in the recommendation request thread linked to above.

Cruncyroll has a huge offering of shows that are new this Winter season (especially if you are in the US), and my recommendation is to do what I do, and take a look at the first episodes of them all. It shouldn't take you long, since some of them are going to get ruled out within the first 25 seconds (Like Soni-Ani, right?)
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