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I think that shoujo is definitely targeted primarily at women; if you ever look at an issue of Cookie or Dessert that will become clear. Like all manga, however, there's a lot of crossover. It is definitely less so than for shounen or even seinen manga, but it is there, particularly with shows that have successful anime adaptations like NANA or Honey and Clover (though those series could be argued are actually josei, but the principle still applies). I don't know for sure, but I would guess that Chihayafuru is probably well-liked by males as well. And I think the anime of Kare Kano was actually aimed at a male audience, even though the manga was definitely shoujo. And Skip Beat! certainly has a strong male fan base.

In short, I don't think liking something meant for girls is something to be ashamed of, anymore than I would say a woman should be embarrassed for liking Gundam or something. Like what you like; if its good, its good.


The way it was taught to me.

Shoujo and Seinen have heavy tonal overlaps. Both often have to do with romance....and little girls.

The major difference between the two, Shoujo often romanticizes it's characters and events. The idea of a relationship with that cute boy or the perfect date and kiss. It's about whether or not he's good enough or she's good enough and if they could make it work.

Seinen however, the relationships happen, and it's rather realistic. It's not just "will they or won't they" it's "they did, lets see if they last"
Relationships start, relationships end. The deed(Kissing or sex, depending on your preference) is done.

See the differences between Mysterious Girlfriend X, and Say "I love you"

One has the primary relationship start during it's first chapter/episode

the other........... takes a while.

The events between characters are also rather similar, the characters are another difference but we'll cross that later on.

I can't actually stand Josei. My sister always proclaims "This one isnt' seinen, it's Josei because it has a female author, Seinen just sells better'
to which I respond "That works for Shoujo and Shounen, but Seinen doesn't actually sell that well."
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White album? Shoujo?
are you serious?
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I like Josei more than Shojo, but I like Shojo just fine.

Josei and Shojo are the reason I read more manga/manhwa than watch anime. I don't think that has anything to do with orientation, but since you asked I'm a straight male.
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Chihayafuru and My Little Monster come to mind. Not sure what else I've seen that's shoujo.

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And Hotarubi no Mori e / Into the Forest of Fireflies' Light (link).


evbev wrote:

Its not that I like shoujo its just that I don't care if it is shoujo.

Well put.
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Felstalker wrote:

The way it was taught to me.

Shoujo and Seinen have heavy tonal overlaps. Both often have to do with romance....and little girls.

The major difference between the two, Shoujo often romanticizes it's characters and events. The idea of a relationship with that cute boy or the perfect date and kiss. It's about whether or not he's good enough or she's good enough and if they could make it work.

Seinen however, the relationships happen, and it's rather realistic. It's not just "will they or won't they" it's "they did, lets see if they last"
Relationships start, relationships end. The deed(Kissing or sex, depending on your preference) is done.

See the differences between Mysterious Girlfriend X, and Say "I love you"

One has the primary relationship start during it's first chapter/episode

the other........... takes a while.

The events between characters are also rather similar, the characters are another difference but we'll cross that later on.

I can't actually stand Josei. My sister always proclaims "This one isnt' seinen, it's Josei because it has a female author, Seinen just sells better'
to which I respond "That works for Shoujo and Shounen, but Seinen doesn't actually sell that well."


I don't really know if I agree with your assessment of shoujo romance. In a lot of cases, the romance actually does start within the first couple of chapters of a shoujo manga. In fact, that actually *does* happen in the case of Say "I Love You", and I'd say it deals with it fairly realistically, if a bit idealized. The same is true of Kare Kano. And NANA deals with failed relationships, infidelity, drug abuse and pregnancy.

The main thing is, like seinen, the descriptor of shoujo covers a wide range of subject matter. Granted, NANA pushes the limits of what you could call shoujo (its in a shoujo anthology, but is clearly aimed at an older teen audience), but many other shoujo manga such as Kare Kano actually do deal with premarital sex. Shoujo can also include series like Skip Beat!, however, where Kyoko will probably not get with Ren until the mangaka decides the story is going to end.

Where I will agree, however, is that seinen manga tends to deal with relationships in a less idealized manner. Neither the male or female leads in a seinen romance tend to be without flaws, while a *lot* of shoujo romances have excessively perfect male leads. While it isn't a romance manga, I still think the manga for Genshiken (a seinen manga) probably had the most realistic romances I read in just about any medium, particularly the development between Ogiue and Sasahara.

On the other hand, you can have a seinen manga like Ah! My Goddess, where the main characters haven't really gotten much farther than holding hands without the interference of magic, so...I think all we can really learn is that terms like seinen and shoujo cover a little too broad a spectrum to actually classify them effectively.
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Soujo is so widespread, it really depends on what Soujo manga. There is some I like, and some I think is gushy drivel. In the end it comes down to the story.

Personally, I don't even like the whole Soujo, Shonen, seinen, etc classifications. Start trying to fit into a class and it really begins to limit the possibilities. My favorite shows usually have a nice blend. Action with a strong love story, or group of friends etc, can be quite nice.
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There are some shoujo series I like, and there are some that are a little too . . . mushy, for lack of better word, for me. I'm not too big on romance in general (with a few exceptions), though I usually don't mind a romance aspect that isn't treated like the single most important thing in the universe. That being said, my personal favorite anime is considered shoujo; I'm not really sure if that means anything.
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My experience with shoujo series.

Finished watching / reading a series, ahhh that is a nice series. Suddenly noticed the tag : Shoujo. Oh welp, whatever it's nice series.
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imaginarycreatures wrote:

I don't really know if I agree with your assessment of shoujo romance. In a lot of cases, the romance actually does start within the first couple of chapters of a shoujo manga. In fact, that actually *does* happen in the case of Say "I Love You", and I'd say it deals with it fairly realistically, if a bit idealized. The same is true of Kare Kano. And NANA deals with failed relationships, infidelity, drug abuse and pregnancy.

The main thing is, like seinen, the descriptor of shoujo covers a wide range of subject matter. Granted, NANA pushes the limits of what you could call shoujo (its in a shoujo anthology, but is clearly aimed at an older teen audience), but many other shoujo manga such as Kare Kano actually do deal with premarital sex. Shoujo can also include series like Skip Beat!, however, where Kyoko will probably not get with Ren until the mangaka decides the story is going to end.

Where I will agree, however, is that seinen manga tends to deal with relationships in a less idealized manner. Neither the male or female leads in a seinen romance tend to be without flaws, while a *lot* of shoujo romances have excessively perfect male leads. While it isn't a romance manga, I still think the manga for Genshiken (a seinen manga) probably had the most realistic romances I read in just about any medium, particularly the development between Ogiue and Sasahara.

On the other hand, you can have a seinen manga like Ah! My Goddess, where the main characters haven't really gotten much farther than holding hands without the interference of magic, so...I think all we can really learn is that terms like seinen and shoujo cover a little too broad a spectrum to actually classify them effectively.


Rating things by the demographic is always difficult. Nana is a Josei in standards, but a Shoujo in publishing.

I remember hearing about this one show/manga, it was essentially a Seinen Slice of Life detailing two bad ass dudes kicking ass and taking names...only the author couldn't get it out there, the formula was done and everywhere.

Then a Yaoi magazine took it in, and all he had to do was make the two male leads have a gay relationship.

And the author was all "Whatevah, my shit got MADE!"

Sometimes you got to make do with the cards they deal you.
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I'm not sure if i'm in love with shoujo, but there are definitely quite a few titles that I'm very very fond of. For example:

Kimi ni Todoke, Fruits Basket, Chihayafuru, Kamisama Kiss, Nana, Nodame Cantabile, Oniisama e..., Say "I Love You", My Little Monster, Shugo Chara, Special A, Kaichou wa Maid-sama, Skip Beat, Ouran Highschool Host Club, Glass Mask.

Although i'm not sure if i'm a shoujo fan, i'm definitely willing to admit that I am drawn to the more feminine stuff. Just not shoujo romances, usually, as I don't really like how they're portrayed. But then again, Kimi ni Todoke is currently my all time favorite romance and Fruits Basket and Skip Beat are what got me into anime, so who knows?

Ultimately it doesn't really matter what the demographic is. Who its targeted at doesn't really matter so long as you enjoy it. Heck, I think MLP fans are proving that pretty strongly, regardless of how you feel about them. Not that I know much about that fandom, though.
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only a few shoujo that i enjoy, mostly when the MC is a quirky funny girl, (chihayafuru, lovely complex)
Mostly like romance focusing on male MC's though.
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Well, I just finished watching Angel Beats. What would that classify as? It had action and fighting, but I was near tears for the end... happysadface...
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I like the art style most and the stories are usually better in terms of emotions. Seriously... In my opinion - clothes and hair are just much more detailed.

I do like shoujo manga/anime and I definitely like girls irl. The main difference between the types of romance shows I like is just the perspective. In a show targeted at guys I am cheering for a girl not hoping the guy i"wins." Liking shoujo means I just see more of the side I want to see and it no longer is a thing about hoping X character wins. It is usually me enjoying their development and hoping they are depicted as happy.


*Extra: I'd look closely at White Album if I were you. I love that show and speak highly of it, but the source material may shock you if you don't know. The target audience is a bit different compared to the average "shoujo manga/anime"-girl fan though I know melodrama satisfies both genders.
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Don't really love it particularly, although I do like it sometimes. I guess that counts for something XD
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Miku_Fan_39 wrote:

I love me my shoujo anime! what wrong with that? nothing. you wouldn't give a crap about a girl that likes to watch DBZ or an other shounen anime, so why create a double standard?


Some guys are sexually insecure, so they seek affirmation that they do indeed still have their manhood after watching "a chick flick" as it were. It's one of the pitfalls of western society...


This thread is evidence of this, lol.
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