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Yeah. There is rape. Guys don't see it as rape, but it's there.
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Posted 4/7/14 , edited 4/7/14

urashimatouji wrote:

Yeah. There is rape. Guys don't see it as rape, but it's there.


I saw it as rape. The main character felt it as rape. Everyone can see it's clearly rape, even guys.

In short, it's rape.

Overall, it was alright. Ending could have been better.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


urashimatouji wrote:

Yeah. There is rape. Guys don't see it as rape, but it's there.


I saw it as rape. The main character felt it as rape. Everyone can see it's clearly rape, even guys.

In short, it's rape.

Overall, it was alright. Ending could have been better.


I don't remember the rape scene, but I started this manga a while back, can you give me a chapter?

Edit: I flipped back through and I am guessing you guys are talking about the scene where Ayano gets very aggressive. Personally, I wouldn't classify it as rape, not because that can't happen to men, but because he had no problem summoning the strength to physically push her out the door half naked with her panties around her ankles after they finished. There was no coercion, drugs or resistance until after the fact, but I concede that if the gender roles were flipped it would probably be considered rape.
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Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

I don't remember the rape scene, but I started this manga a while back, can you give me a chapter?

Edit: I flipped back through and I am guessing you guys are talking about the scene where Ayano gets very aggressive. Personally, I wouldn't classify it as rape, not because that can't happen to men, but because he had no problem summoning the strength to physically push her out the door half naked with her panties around her ankles after they finished. There was no coercion, drugs or resistance until after the fact, but I concede that if the gender roles were flipped it would probably be considered rape.


Yes, that was the scene. By definition, it was rape.

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Shrapnel893 wrote:


Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

I don't remember the rape scene, but I started this manga a while back, can you give me a chapter?

Edit: I flipped back through and I am guessing you guys are talking about the scene where Ayano gets very aggressive. Personally, I wouldn't classify it as rape, not because that can't happen to men, but because he had no problem summoning the strength to physically push her out the door half naked with her panties around her ankles after they finished. There was no coercion, drugs or resistance until after the fact, but I concede that if the gender roles were flipped it would probably be considered rape.


Yes, that was the scene. By definition, it was rape.




The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, or below the legal age of consent.


If you don't actually attempt to stop somebody, and there is no coercion, either explicit and implied, then no it does not meet the definition of rape. If you are trying to convince me that he wanted to stop her, but couldn't find the strength until after the act, when he threw her out of the house, then sorry, I'm not buying that. If you are trying to convince me that she should have been put in prison for 3-20 years for that, then I would also say no. She shouldn't have gotten away with attempted murder later, but that is a different matter.
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Posted 4/8/14 , edited 4/8/14

Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

If you don't actually attempt to stop somebody, and there is no coercion, either explicit and implied, then no it does not meet the definition of rape. If you are trying to convince me that he wanted to stop her, but couldn't find the strength until after the act, when he threw her out of the house, then sorry, I'm not buying that. If you are trying to convince me that she should have been put in prison for 3-20 years for that, then I would also say no. She shouldn't have gotten away with attempted murder later, but that is a different matter.


I wasn't trying to convince you of anything.

Rape -- at least to me, is any form of unconsentual penetration between the, well, rapist, and victim.

He did tell her to stop, he said no, he didn't want to do it. She didn't. It doesn't matter if it was one time or if he was screaming his head off throughout -- he said no. It doesn't matter if he didn't resist afterwards. It didn't matter if he was silent throughout. It was unconsentual.

Therefore, rape. Plain and simple.


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