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Tired of lack of closure
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I am getting tired of watching a lot of good anime get ruined by horrible endings. They always seem to be going great then the last 2-4 episodes go off on some tangent that has barely any insignificance to the big picture. Then they find themselves stuck either jamming everything in last episode or we get giant cliff hangers and we sit back hoping for another episode or possibly an ova. I watch the stories I watch cause I enjoy anime, not to get hooked and to see the rest of the story I have to then reads it manga???.... No thanks....


Well thanks for letting me vent forums..... I am sure I am not the only one tired with this anime design structure....



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Story of my life.
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Berserk nuff said
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FuturePriest wrote:

Berserk nuff said


Berserk at least has those movies. I was so pissed about that series back in 1999 watching it on fan subs. About 3 years ago I read the comple manga with still no closure left in sight. Don't know if it's still ongoing.
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i hate it when the end of a show is rushed you guys are right
in some shows it feels like they try to jam everything in at once or due to the pacing they trow a ton of info at you last minute and i for one don't like it because i like to savor the end of a show and enjoy the climax of the story with out worrying about missing a important piece of information
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Read the manga.
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Soul Eater's anime has one of the worst endings I have seen. I was so refreshed when single season animes like From The New World (Shin Sekai Yori) came out with a great build up and a fantastic ending. Need moar.
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Totally agree with this. I think the worst offenders are Harem and romance animes. I'm tired of seeing the protagonist go through 13 or 26 episodes of trying to decide which girl he likes the most, and then a front runner emerges from the pack, but then for some stupid reason, he doesn't seal the deal. It's left open, or with all the girls rushing in flirting with him in the final scenes while he reacts with an "Aw shucks" look on his face. DECIDE FOOL!

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The biggest problem is the reason that the stories are made into anime in the first place: marketing for the original work. Most of the time, when a manga or light novel series is green lit, the intent of the committee making the show is to boost sales of the original work, not to make an anime that will be a complete story. Therefore the story is inherently incomplete at the time the anime is made. When you look around at anime series that have those horrible, open-ended, lack of closure endings, you will find that most of them were created sometime in the middle of the run of the manga or light novel series from whence they sprang.

Light novels are a bit more likely to not fall prey to this, since they tend to have smaller sales numbers to begin with and the anime is more likely to be a combination of promotion for the final book in the series, to try to boost sales for the big finish, and a way to milk just a bit more cash out of a franchise that has run its course. That is why Toradora! has the ending it does, which is the same, yet different from, the novels, but still conclusive and providing closure. The final volume of Toradora! came out about two weeks before the final episode of the anime. I'm guessing that the anime staff had an outline of the story to work with, but not the actual text. Hence the different ways of telling the same story.

Golden Time is following the same pattern, with the final volume of the series announced just recently and, I presume, coming out around the time that the anime ends. The sales of the Golden Time anime have been very, very disappointing, but there is a chance that the final volume of the light novel will end up as a big seller because of the hype. If so, it will be deemed a success. In any case, just like Toradora!, it should be complete and have closure.

Pet Girl of Sakurasou is an example of the wrong way of doing it, in my opinion. it also came out when the light novels were either near completion or done (I don't recall which), but even with 26 episodes, it doesn't come close to covering the end of the story. Therefore we end up with an open-ended, life-goes-on and the main couple are closer than they were but not really "together" yet, at least from my perspective, ending. The chances of them finishing the story in anime are probably pretty thin, though if the sales figures for the series were good enough it may happen. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I'll bet somebody does...

Then there are ones like Full Metal Panic!, Spice and Wolf, and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumyia, where the anime came in the middle of the run of the light novels, similar to the way many manga adaptations are done, like Aoi Hana, Sessameki Koto, Bokura ga Ita, Ah! My Goddess, Mysterious Girlfriend X, and a host of others that have either inconclusive or unsatisfying endings. Will these stories ever be animated? It is hard to say. The most likely answer is no, since the primary reason for making them: to boost the sales of the original product, no longer exists. They are done. Out the door. Finished. Kaput!

[sigh]

But there is a shining ray of hope for these franchises: Shakugan no Shana! Say what you will about the execution of the final season of Shana, but it did complete the story! (In my opinion, it did it in fine fashion, with an emotionally powerful final set of episodes that made up for the lagging, seemingly directionless middle of the season, but that is not the topic here...) If Shana and Yuji can get their finale, then certainly Souseke & Chidori, Holo & Lawrence, Kyon & Haruhi, Keiichi & Belldandy, and Akira & Urabe can get theirs too, right?

Yeah! Right!
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Des85 wrote:

Read the manga.


Pretty much. I remember watching some anime and saying "what kind of ending is that?" until I read the manga for the rest of the story.
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They always wanna keep it open for that potential next season. The only way for the show to have a ending is to either make one up because they know there not doing a next season or to animate the entire manga.
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Des85 wrote:

Read the manga.


That is the biggest cop out in anime

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Protracted manga and light novel series are too long to animate in their entirety regardless, as a rule. It's annoying, but I can't fault the sense in making a single season for an unfinished work at the moment the fiscal benefits are greatest.

It just sucks that we don't have access to all the multimedia.
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Zensunni wrote:

The biggest problem is the reason that the stories are made into anime in the first place: marketing for the original work. Most of the time, when a manga or light novel series is green lit, the intent of the committee making the show is to boost sales of the original work, not to make an anime that will be a complete story. Therefore the story is inherently incomplete at the time the anime is made. When you look around at anime series that have those horrible, open-ended, lack of closure endings, you will find that most of them were created sometime in the middle of the run of the manga or light novel series from whence they sprang.

Light novels are a bit more likely to not fall prey to this, since they tend to have smaller sales numbers to begin with and the anime is more likely to be a combination of promotion for the final book in the series, to try to boost sales for the big finish, and a way to milk just a bit more cash out of a franchise that has run its course. That is why Toradora! has the ending it does, which is the same, yet different from, the novels, but still conclusive and providing closure. The final volume of Toradora! came out about two weeks before the final episode of the anime. I'm guessing that the anime staff had an outline of the story to work with, but not the actual text. Hence the different ways of telling the same story.

Golden Time is following the same pattern, with the final volume of the series announced just recently and, I presume, coming out around the time that the anime ends. The sales of the Golden Time anime have been very, very disappointing, but there is a chance that the final volume of the light novel will end up as a big seller because of the hype. If so, it will be deemed a success. In any case, just like Toradora!, it should be complete and have closure.

Pet Girl of Sakurasou is an example of the wrong way of doing it, in my opinion. it also came out when the light novels were either near completion or done (I don't recall which), but even with 26 episodes, it doesn't come close to covering the end of the story. Therefore we end up with an open-ended, life-goes-on and the main couple are closer than they were but not really "together" yet, at least from my perspective, ending. The chances of them finishing the story in anime are probably pretty thin, though if the sales figures for the series were good enough it may happen. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I'll bet somebody does...

Then there are ones like Full Metal Panic!, Spice and Wolf, and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumyia, where the anime came in the middle of the run of the light novels, similar to the way many manga adaptations are done, like Aoi Hana, Sessameki Koto, Bokura ga Ita, Ah! My Goddess, Mysterious Girlfriend X, and a host of others that have either inconclusive or unsatisfying endings. Will these stories ever be animated? It is hard to say. The most likely answer is no, since the primary reason for making them: to boost the sales of the original product, no longer exists. They are done. Out the door. Finished. Kaput!

[sigh]

But there is a shining ray of hope for these franchises: Shakugan no Shana! Say what you will about the execution of the final season of Shana, but it did complete the story! (In my opinion, it did it in fine fashion, with an emotionally powerful final set of episodes that made up for the lagging, seemingly directionless middle of the season, but that is not the topic here...) If Shana and Yuji can get their finale, then certainly Souseke & Chidori, Holo & Lawrence, Kyon & Haruhi, Keiichi & Belldandy, and Akira & Urabe can get theirs too, right?

Yeah! Right!


I was actually OK with Pet Girl of Sakurasou's ending. It is open, but I felt like it told it's story to completion. Mashiro won and Nanami lost. The two most serious offenders of "doing it wrong" imo, are Devil is a Part Timer and My Teenage Romantic Comedy... Other than that, I agree with what you said.
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uncletim wrote:


Des85 wrote:

Read the manga.


That is the biggest cop out in anime



I try to read some manga but there is a lot more sometimes let alone watching anime! Also a lot doesnt get translated so be it!
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