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USA Court Ruling and Crunchyroll
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This boils down to a balance between two fundamental issues: government regulation versus corporate power. Neither is a clear win for the consumers. Insufficient regulation almost always results in companies milking us for everything we're worth. Competition in US markets is relatively scarce in many areas because there are such large and economically powerful conglomerates that they can artificially manipulate the market to crush competitors without regs to check them. More regulation is giving more power to a select group that has a history of being susceptible to manipulation by interest groups and also being behind the curve when it comes to market response or new technology.

Bottom line: the consumer is best benefited by a careful balancing act. Hard to say for sure, but this smells of things tipping to one side. It makes it far more likely that there will be far fewer free services in the future and more services clearly in the control of larger companies with fewer alternatives. This is likely to reduce competition and result in more consolidation. It is true that some services will have more consistent throughput, but they will generally cost more to access. Not to mention, if you know about traffic maps and how routing works... there are sometimes specific bottlenecks between certain geographic locations. If a provider other than yours or the service's IS that bottleneck and chooses to throttle that traffic in particular it can kill your access speed with little recourse.
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Honestly, I don't care. The Internet is a privilege, not a right. If it really gets as bad as these fear mongers say it will (and I seriously doubt it), I'll just go to a bookstore and buy some Manga.
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I all ready signed an online petition today against the ruling. I would suggest everybody else do the same. Let them know you are not happy.
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Angerudusto wrote:

Honestly, I don't care. The Internet is a privilege, not a right. If it really gets as bad as these fear mongers say it will (and I seriously doubt it), I'll just go to a bookstore and buy some Manga.


Privilege you say? That might not be so true in the near future when you can't apply for a job, buy goods or food or work from home without good internet access to name but a few of the things that are coming. That said, a lot of people won't be able to get a full time job because a lot of jobs will be fully automated.
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nekroneko wrote:


Angerudusto wrote:

Honestly, I don't care. The Internet is a privilege, not a right. If it really gets as bad as these fear mongers say it will (and I seriously doubt it), I'll just go to a bookstore and buy some Manga.


Privilege you say? That might not be so true in the near future when you can't apply for a job, buy goods or food or work from home without good internet access to name but a few of the things that are coming. That said, a lot of people won't be able to get a full time job because a lot of jobs will be fully automated.


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So yeah... I was blocked out of crunchyroll today (temporarily)...

Thanks Comcast, timewarner [sarcasm]

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haikinka wrote:

I'm more bothered about the UK government trying to take away my porn.


Oh I wouldn't be worried about that, so far nothing's been done and lost of people would hate it anyway. I'm more bothered that if people like the UK government hear this then they'll become incredibly stupid and do the same.
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This will lead back into Torrent Land ...An I thought we had come so far...
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http://wh.gov/lIw0S
I started a petition for this on the white house website. If it can reach 100K signatures by February 13th it will get reviewed by the white house administration. We need to get to 150 signatures just so it is viewable to the public! So if you like your internet the way it is please take the time to sign!
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That's just stupid. If it makes it past the Supreme Court, a ton of businesses will collapse and we'll go right back into a depression.
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confliction wrote:

http://wh.gov/lIw0S
I started a petition for this on the white house website. If it can reach 100K signatures by February 13th it will get reviewed by the white house administration. We need to get to 150 signatures just so it is viewable to the public! So if you like your internet the way it is please take the time to sign!


You got my signature.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P
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This how it could look like.

EDIT: (It looks like someone already posted it. Oh well.)


It's pretty fucking sad. Seriously, it would really damper on the internet's innovations and creativity. The equal playing field just messed up becuase of control and greed. Do take account that this is capitalism at work, but it just feels like a different brand of dictatorship.

Honestly, the internet is that thing that just evened up the court for everyone. I do hope that some check and balance come into play to prevent this serious hit on actual human progress.
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Well glad I'm not in USA... Well glad for now..
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SteeJaHi wrote:

awww dam it and this probably go over to uk soon
its like a sly pipa and acta move under the radar


It's already in the UK, in a positive way. Basically Net Neutrality means that ISP's have to treat all traffic as equal, which is a bit of a stupid thing to do anyhow. UK ISP's (I'm on PlusNet) give certain traffic different priorities. Gaming, Streaming, VOIP, time critical appliances require a good connection with no dropped packets so are put on a high profile (Gold or Platinum). Usenet and P2P can have a negative effect on the overall network and are not time critical so get moved to a lower profile (Bronze). Overall it results in a better network for everyone as if the network is under strain (think major event happening which lots of people stream) then traffic on the Bronze will be slowed down so traffic on Gold/Platinum will have the required performance.

The American issue is probably unique to them (a totally different pricing structure than in the UK) due to a lack of competition in the marketplace, over here it's very competitive with BT forced to open it's networks to competition, competition which has led to the current internet we enjoy.

Way back yonder, before DSL we all used 56k modems (or 33.6k, that's kb btw, yeah, downloading at 6kpbs...) we paid for the call (via 0845) and paid for the internet service (AOL, CompuServe, Demon, Force9 etc.), then along game a disruptive provider, Freeserve, totally free internet, all you had to do was pay for the call. The internet use exploded, people started to use it as they didn't have to pay £15 a month on top of the phone calls (which really racked up the price - compared to US users who paid for their ISP but had free phone calls). That single, disruptive company changed the landscape forever.

After that of course came the demand for free calls, there wasn't any major disruption in that market, you had small phone companies who offered the free calls to their ISP if you joined their phone company, but supply far outstripped demand and the companies couldn't really cope. Eventually BT introduced FRIACO (flat rate internet access something something) which gave free calls but you had to pay a flat fee (which for me was over £50 a month, maybe going on £100, can't remember).

After that came ADSL, switching from 55k modems to 512k DSL for £20 a month, currently there is ADSL and Fibre, but the general principle of ADSL is "you get the fastest speed your line can handle" which means someone who only gets a 4Mb line will pay the same as someone who is on a 24Mb line, rather than the American system which seems to be "you pay for a set speed" so someone on a 4Mb line pays less than someone on a 24Mb line.

And finally, there is competition. There is BT, TalkTalk (yuck), Sky, if BT were to introduce this kind of thing, people would leave their network and head off to TalkTalk or Sky, if Sky where to do this, they would bugger off to TalkTalk (or A&A or PlusNet or Zen). Basically, BT have been forced to open their network to competition, if you have a BT line you can get any ISP you want for ADSL, if you can get Fibre, you can switch to any ISP you want. American networks are closed, you won't get Verizon using AT&T's network to provide internet access,

So no, there is 0% chance of this occurring in the manner of "ISP's slowing websites unless they pay them" because the websites will happily state "you're on <ISP> and they are restricting your access, we recommend you change, here is a list of ISP's that do not restrict us".

As for the porn filter, just don't turn it on?
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