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Posted 1/16/14 , edited 1/16/14

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Of course it depends on the specs, it will possibly try to compete with say the M3, and the C63 AMG , but those cars have 420+ hp and cost around $60k-ish so IMO to compete it either has to be more powerful or much less expensive. If I were to choose either a $55k Toyota or a $60k BMW with relatively the same performance, I'd probably go with the tried and true method of the M3, since I would get the luxury benefits as well.


Well, The FR-S is a pretty good test bed for what potential of a new Supra can be. Also, I think Toyota needs to look at the history and demise of the supra and it's competition.

Lets look at the start. Originally, the Supra was nothing more than a performance package Celica. No different than how a Mustang is V6 or you have V8 GTs. You bought a performance car, and it offered excellent bang for the buck as it branched off right up to 1992. Sure, back then they weren't matched to comprarable performance cars.

Same history for the Nissan Fairlady. Though they took the demise route sooner. They started as nothing more than a drivers car. But emissions came in, power dropped and the cars got heavier. Weighted down with useless luxuries, they lost alot of popularity. The original 300zx came out with optional turbo and picked up again. Darn ugly and nissan pretty much went under until Renault came in and took over.

Mazda and the RX-7, same story as well.

So this is 1990 Nissan and 1992 for Toyota. I cannot remember when the FD RX7 came out off top of my head. They need flagship performance. Out comes the second gen 300zx, FD supra, and the last gen Supra. Fantastic cars, excellent performance, but not for their price. At the time, you could get a metter M series, the new F-bodies and mustangs were coming out, Mercedes had good cars for comparable price. Corvettes, etc. Lots more cars with better power for the buck.

In the end, it came entirely down to the fact they had cars that were pretty much 100% unique. It cost way more to make them than it should have. The competition on the other hand had parts and chassis used in multiple models. It doesn't matter how much of a fan you are of other makes, but the small block chev cost thousands less to make for equal power weight as the 2jz did if not even cheaper.

Now we get to today. Name says everything. A great example is the VW Phaeton. It was a phenominal car with it's W12 engine, and loaded to the nines with luxury. But nobody wanted a 100k volkswagen. Not many people are going to want a 90k toyota. They would get the BMW or other car where you get more for your money.

The best direction for Toyota is to keep it simple. Chassis, Engine, and standard comforts. Screw carbon fiber everythings. Make it a muscle car and target it's direct competition. The Mustang, and Camaro,,, Genesis too I guess now. Who woulda thought Hyundai 20 years ago... Mechanically simple and low cost V8 with base model 6 cylinder, 6 speed, and 4w independent. With everything built off the Lexus underpinnings. Get rid of things like 15 zone climate controls and overdone luxuries, and they will be competitive.

Heck, stick the V8 in the FR-S and sell it as the supra package and be done with it.
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pakola wrote:

id rather get an r34 for that price


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Vaporisor wrote:

Heck, stick the V8 in the FR-S and sell it as the supra package and be done with it.


Haha I'd totally want a V8 FR-S.
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rockadilla wrote:

Haha I'd totally want a V8 FR-S.


Funny thing is how many people are doing this. The FR-S is a relatively cheap car. You can buy it, a stand alone 400hp LS crate engine and put it in for less than any performance V8 car on the planet. Toyota/subaru really needs to offer a more muscled version. Heck, a H6 turbo would be insane!
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