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Homosexuality in Japan & the West.
Posted 1/17/14 , edited 1/17/14
Cultural, social, and religious views on homosexuality, the LBGT community, and those associated with it as a whole.

The purpose of this thread is to have an open discussion on how homosexuality is viewed in different cultures, I'd like this to be about people presenting their views in order to come to a better understanding of each other.

1. Religious view points are fine but again it is only used to discuss the culture value of the people who fallow said religion. It is not to be used to tell someone they are right or wrong for their life style. For example you can say the bible says homosexuality is immoral and discuss why it says that but you cannot use that to tell a specific person that they themselves are immoral.

2. Derogatory comments will serve to do only three things; hurt others, get this thread closed, and get you banned. This is supposed to be an intellectual discussion for those who are capable of rational thinking and cool tempers. This is for those whom can appreciate opposing view points.. If you feel you cannot do so, do not post. Mature minds prevail!

3. To start you can present your personal view on homosexuality

4. Be respectful of other peoples view points. If you disagree, disagree politely with maturity. Provide facts to back up position, don't force it.

5. Though started as a Yuri (lesbian) topic, Yaoi (gay) and viewpoints of the entire LBGT community and all other sexuality/genders can be discussed.

If Mods feel like they need to add anything to keep this discussion civil go right ahead.

Basic definitions differentiating Sex, Gender, and Sexuality for discussion purposes.

Real life example, extra reading.


The following video is an opinion/investigatory piece on how homosexuality is viewed in Japan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxQYu4MOFCY&list=PLbSteqvG2-Lh94arfmQmKtOOA0s2ZUads

If there is anything I need to add or clarify please let me know.
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Posted 1/17/14
It's sad that now, in the year 2014, this still is an issue.

Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality... it's all the same. Love is love.

I really don't see the big deal.
Posted 1/17/14 , edited 1/17/14
Ah, Rachael and Jun!

I love these videos.


just tossing my two cents in for something I was taught before I watched the youtube you linked us.



I have a good friend who is dual citizenship with the US and Japan. She is learning to improve her English, so we trade language lessons. Somehow it was asked if I was " the gay" or if I had a girlfriend. ( like I mentioned, her English is still improving). I told her that I had a girlfriend, but I have a good friend who is gay. I then explained to her to the best of my ability the current laws and perception in the US ( marriage legalities per state, certain social discrimination, ect.)

She explained that in JP culture, being gay wasn't all that different, at least what she knew. I had to meta the fact that Christianity isn't as strong as it is here, which plays into other discussions.

I asked her what someone who is gay is referred to. ( if gay was a universal word, or if it had a different word for describing affinity for the same gender). I was told that if someone is "gay" in JP culture, they are just referred to as "onee".

Found the whole discussion humbling.



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Japan seems very much in denial when it comes to prejudice against homosexuality. The right wingers of Japan are pretty much the narrow minded ones, not Japan. But sometimes it's hard to discern Japan from its right wingers.
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Oh MyHusbandisJapanese, love them but there is a problem with that video. First of all there are pracically no gay japanese's comments that were actually included. Also, Rachel's comment made my head hurt.

I asked for opinions from straight people for how they personally view gay people in Japan. I was happy to see we had a few gay subscribers who also responded, but they weren't the people I was targeting. This video is about the public perception of being gay in Japan. Gay people are inherently biased in that aspect and can't really answer the question. I find it extremely presumptuous that you're telling me I should have put a disclaimer in the video about not being able to find gay Japanese people to comment when I never once asked for gay people to comment. Maybe next time instead of being rude to someone you should get all the information before commenting. I even linked to the original question I posed to Japanese people in this video.
Why would gay Japanese people be biased? Are you saying they might feel too...........discriminated?

I think it's extremely presumptuous to think that it won't be bias to ask only straight people about gay people. Gay people are also part of the public. By asking only straight people, a person only grasp a one sided perspective. Imagine a person interviewing a white person on what it's like being Black in America: The R-Word

Who better to know what it's like to be a gay person in japan than gay Japanese people themselves? This video might bring a different insight: ゲイとして日本で生きること Being Gay in Japan (medamasensei)

Notice the disparaging difference between the comments of the two videos?
Posted 1/17/14
I come from a family that by and large looks down on homosexuality. However, I don't see why it should be an issue. Who someone chooses to love is nobody's business but those involved - in other words, the two who are in love. It does not affect anyone's life in any way if two men or two women who have found true love in this world choose to openly express their feelings for one another, whether it is by the simple acts of holding hands and kissing or the grand gesture of marriage.

Personally, though, I am against ALL forms of public displays of affection from any couple - gay or straight. But, that's just me and really has nothing to do with this topic.
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I would feel that Japan would be less hateful about homosexuality since it seems that the hate originated in the Western religions. It really confuses me though that the Christian church used to be in favor of homosexual marriages and the lifestyle for the longest time but then it was changed, I'm not sure on the date like the 16th century? A lot of the hate comes from close mindedness and ignorance, definitely what the United States has. :I Homosexuality is found in most of the animal kingdom, but I suppose some people don't see humans as true animals so there goes that debate to them.
Posted 1/23/14

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It's sad that now, in the year 2014, this still is an issue.

Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality... it's all the same. Love is love.

I really don't see the big deal.


I think it will always be an issue on some level because no matter if you accept it or not the reality of homosexuality is that it goes against what's considered normal. So long as it goes against the norm there will be people who are active and vocally against it. I think it's human nature to be fearful of something you don't understand, its an instinctual response that once served humanity well when we lived in small tribes when many things that were not like us was a threat; I think that's where racism comes from as well. I think everyone still has this trait inside them but more and more people are developing the intellect to take hold of this thought process and can be rational knowing that just because something is different doesn't automatically make it a threat anymore.

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Posted 1/27/14 , edited 1/27/14
from personal experience, being gay in New York still has it's issues. i'm not saying it's in any way dangerous or highly discriminatory, but there is still a stigma among many people (they will stare at you if you are with another guy, or tell you that you're going to burn in hell). it's generally a pretty accepted thing in much of the western world, but i think that no matter where you go there will always be crazy people who will try to give you trouble for just being who you are. i know even my parents won't be too happy with me once they find out .
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I have a Hmong friend and their culture is pretty homophobic. They're very insistent on the males of the family carrying on the family name, so for a male to be gay is bad because it means he will never marry a girl who will take his name. At least, this is what I've been told by him. Nonetheless, this friend is gay. All his friends know, as well as all his siblings and his mom, but as far as I know nobody has said anything to his dad. Apparently his mom was heartbroken, but is trying to come to terms with it and accept him. Now all the pressure is on his younger brother, since he is the only other male child in the family. And I think my friend feels bad about putting that kind of pressure on his brother. While I am opposed to homophobia, I can understand where the homophobia is coming from in this case. It's not really homophobia per say, but a cultural thing saying men marrying men is bad because it won't continue the family lineage. I'm not saying a point of view like that isn't oppressive, but it does make one realize that not all homophobia actually stems from hate or just not wanting to understand.
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I have a Hmong friend and their culture is pretty homophobic. They're very insistent on the males of the family carrying on the family name, so for a male to be gay is bad because it means he will never marry a girl who will take his name. At least, this is what I've been told by him. Nonetheless, this friend is gay. All his friends know, as well as all his siblings and his mom, but as far as I know nobody has said anything to his dad. Apparently his mom was heartbroken, but is trying to come to terms with it and accept him. Now all the pressure is on his younger brother, since he is the only other male child in the family. And I think my friend feels bad about putting that kind of pressure on his brother. While I am opposed to homophobia, I can understand where the homophobia is coming from in this case. It's not really homophobia per say, but a cultural thing saying men marrying men is bad because it won't continue the family lineage. I'm not saying a point of view like that isn't oppressive, but it does make one realize that not all homophobia actually stems from hate or just not wanting to understand.


i think even in this case it really does stem from ignorance, because his family should realize that he has no control over who he likes, and that him being happy should be more important than carrying on a name. you would think that a lifetime of happiness is worth more than the perpetuation of a word.
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WednesdayBookLove wrote:

I have a Hmong friend and their culture is pretty homophobic. They're very insistent on the males of the family carrying on the family name, so for a male to be gay is bad because it means he will never marry a girl who will take his name. At least, this is what I've been told by him. Nonetheless, this friend is gay. All his friends know, as well as all his siblings and his mom, but as far as I know nobody has said anything to his dad. Apparently his mom was heartbroken, but is trying to come to terms with it and accept him. Now all the pressure is on his younger brother, since he is the only other male child in the family. And I think my friend feels bad about putting that kind of pressure on his brother. While I am opposed to homophobia, I can understand where the homophobia is coming from in this case. It's not really homophobia per say, but a cultural thing saying men marrying men is bad because it won't continue the family lineage. I'm not saying a point of view like that isn't oppressive, but it does make one realize that not all homophobia actually stems from hate or just not wanting to understand.


i think even in this case it really does stem from ignorance, because his family should realize that he has no control over who he likes, and that him being happy should be more important than carrying on a name. you would think that a lifetime of happiness is worth more than the perpetuation of a word.


It seems as though most of his family is pretty accepting of him, other than his dad. His parents grew up in a culture where homosexuality wasn't okay, so you can't just expect them to get over it right away because their son has turned out to be gay. I'm not saying this makes their cultural view right or wrong, just that it is. It is ignorant of them to assume their sons will carry on the family name no matter their sexual orientation, but different cultures have different views on any given subject. What seems unimportant in come cultures is important to others and while I do see how much it hurts him to have to hide it because he knows his dad won't be happy, I also know that's how the culture is. I'm not saying it's an excuse. It's the same as saying, "well, kids are kids" when someone is being bullied. I'm in support of ending ignorance all around the world when it comes to homosexuality and many other things, but I can't change someone's views when they've grown up in a culture like that. He'll have to come to terms with it on his own.
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It's not someone's views are set in stone simply because they were raised in that culture. I myself was raised as a Christian and taught that homosexuality was wrong, but I ended becoming an atheist after listening to the arguments of others.
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Well, I'm HOMOSEXUAL and I see no problem with it. Some people think that we CHOOSE to be HOMOSEXUAL. In reality, I ask those persons, when did you decided to become heterosexual? I get so annoyed when people tell those types of things. Really, how can they judge something that they don't know how it works, or how a homosexual person feels deep inside? I personally think we should let people live their life however they like. When are we, as a society, are going to not care what other human beings do, or who we love? Honestly, is okay to have religious/ personal views, but that does not mean that we have to discriminate or have so much prejudice against homosexuals like me. In the end, we are humans just like the rest of society. We feel, think, love, hate, and cry like the rest of you guys. As long as we are not hurting others, one most not care if humans are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, or even transgender. We must support each other to have a healthier/ educated society free of any prejudice. PERIOD.
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Well, I'm HOMOSEXUAL and I see no problem with it. Some people think that we CHOOSE to be HOMOSEXUAL. In reality, I ask those persons, when did you decided to become heterosexual? I get so annoyed when people tell those types of things. Really, how can they judge something that they don't know how it works, or how a homosexual person feels deep inside? I personally think we should let people live their life however they like. When are we, as a society, are going to not care what other human beings do, or who we love? Honestly, is okay to have religious/ personal views, but that does not mean that we have to discriminate or have so much prejudice against homosexuals like me. In the end, we are humans just like the rest of society. We feel, think, love, hate, and cry like the rest of you guys. As long as we are not hurting others, one most not care if humans are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, or even transgender. We must support each other to have a healthier/ educated society free of any prejudice. PERIOD.


my thoughts exactly
Posted 2/20/14 , edited 2/20/14
I don't normally read Dear Abby who is a Q&A personality for the writer Jeanne Phillips in newspapers and the web. She takes genuine questions and offers her input and potential ways to resolves the issue at hand. I really liked this one though and it makes a good point on living and experiencing life alongside homosexual neighbors.

Dear Abby Smacks Down Anti-Gay Letter.
Jane C. Timm - MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/dear-abby-gay-neighbors-letter

Full text on letter to Dear Abby and response.
http://news.yahoo.com/couple-florida-aren-39-t-happy-gay-neighbors-050113020.html

It's fascinating how people still believe that homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle. I'm not gay in the normal sense but I do have gender dysphoria and lesbian desire so I can say for sure I did not chose to want to be a women or to have this great confusion in my head.
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