Post Reply World Fraction
Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 1/19/14
Episode 14. "World Fraction".

Shiro talks to the Mage of Mistal Lake. Tactical, operational, country, continent, world spells are discussed as is the spell "World Fraction". When discussing the first time the "world fraction" spell was used he mentions an era of great technology and power. A picture of planes is shown. The run down "modern" buildings in a post-apocalyptic setting are reminders of that time. That time is our world. The "real" world. When the mage speaks, he talks of something of a time 350 years ago when the "golden age" existed. I postulate that this is when in the "real world" the game of Log Horizon was being created with all history, text, legends, races, etc. being "inserted into the game. The first "world fraction" spell was really when the game began. The second "world fraction" is when the first major patch (goblins re-spawning, etc.) was added to the game. The third "world fraction" was when the game went online & actual people began to play. The fourth "world fraction" AKA The Apocalypse, was trapping real gamers in the world of Log Horizon. The category of these spells that Shiroe doesn't know about indicates that he can learn them, the mage NPC used the computer icons to show off the spells. If Shiroe or someone else can learn the "world fraction" spell then my guess is that the real world gamers can "leave" the world of Log Horizon and go home. My theory anyway.
People of the Land
34834 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
39 / F / Scotland
Offline
Posted 1/27/14

decker423 wrote:

Episode 14. "World Fraction".

Shiro talks to the Mage of Mistal Lake. Tactical, operational, country, continent, world spells are discussed as is the spell "World Fraction". When discussing the first time the "world fraction" spell was used he mentions an era of great technology and power. A picture of planes is shown. The run down "modern" buildings in a post-apocalyptic setting are reminders of that time. That time is our world. The "real" world. When the mage speaks, he talks of something of a time 350 years ago when the "golden age" existed. I postulate that this is when in the "real world" the game of Log Horizon was being created with all history, text, legends, races, etc. being "inserted into the game. The first "world fraction" spell was really when the game began. The second "world fraction" is when the first major patch (goblins re-spawning, etc.) was added to the game. The third "world fraction" was when the game went online & actual people began to play. The fourth "world fraction" AKA The Apocalypse, was trapping real gamers in the world of Log Horizon. The category of these spells that Shiroe doesn't know about indicates that he can learn them, the mage NPC used the computer icons to show off the spells. If Shiroe or someone else can learn the "world fraction" spell then my guess is that the real world gamers can "leave" the world of Log Horizon and go home. My theory anyway.


I am probably wrong but my theory is about people of the land being players that have died and revived many times although I think I'm wrong because they don't revive like adventurers although perhaps this is an effect of complete memory loss, but the people of the land have children does this mean they can reproduce the normal way by having baby's. At first I thought the theory of them being players with memory loss was possible but the more I think about it the less likely the theory seems. As more episodes come out the more vexing the whole series becomes. At the moment I guess I'll have to wait and see
Decker423 I would love to know your theory on how the gamers can leave?

my guess is that the real world gamers can "leave" the world of Log Horizon and go home.

[/
People of the Land
34834 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
39 / F / Scotland
Offline
Posted 1/27/14
My first time quoting someone. I think I messed it up a bit. Please ignore the strange quote box at the bottom I think I forgot to delete all the quote symbols that appeared when I was testing the water.
Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 1/27/14
I'm going to contradict myself here on PCs in Log Horizon.
If they can leave, I think it'll be because of one of the world spells is used. A part of me thinks that the world fractions are "upgrades" or "changes" in the computer game we know as Log Horizon. The apocalypse is probably because of that. A friend of mine has suggested that the current mage of the Mistal Lake actually murdered his "Master/Mentor" and that this great mage may have had a world spell set to go off as a contingency. That's in the game. Real world this may be a glitch in the system.

My biggest fear is multifold: 1. Some PCs (that boy who is the samurai who in real life is confined to a wheel chair) prefer the world of Log Horizon to the "real world". This can also be seen in Crusty, we don't know what he does in real life but in Log Horizon, he's a personal bad ass and a leader of many other bad asses. A potential king, a king maker for sure. His losing memories (remember the princess asking him about his sister and him not "knowing" if he missed her or not?) will make this easier for his "full integration" into the world of Log Horizon. 2. With PCs (all I'm assuming) losing memory, if they don't get out, they will forget the "real world" (and think of the ones who want to already) and thus, in time, become a literal part of the game- same as the People of the Land or the monsters. 3. This show has POTENTIAL, we all know that. the question is how long it'll run. If it runs long I'd bet money that some PCs, if ever given a chance to go back "home" to the real world will turn it down, and that's assuming they haven't forgotten about home. Quite scary and dark, if it comes to that.
I think that Shiroe will ultimately be on the hunt (like SAO) to find a way out. This Mistal Lake mage has definitely put him on the path of where to look (he had no clue before and we all know he thinks strategically).
I also wonder if the PCs can level up beyond 90th (was that in the game? I want to say it's in there somewhere.). If there is a world spell that can send the adventurers home (if) it would have to be cast by someone very powerful. Perhaps 90th LvL can do it, perhaps not. Interesting that Shiroe was considered an "arch mage" due to his level AND the time he has spent in the game.
Of course, we have no idea what's going on in the "real world" but as time goes on and on, I bet money that PCs will start to see Log Horizon as the "real world" and give in to it totally.

My two cents.
Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 2/1/14 , edited 2/1/14
******************************Spoiler for last episode!!!*********************************


In the opening credits we see the Mage of the Mistal Lake. I can't remember if he was there before (I think he was) but given his little "showing" in the series but this opening credit would imply that he is important to the overall story. Perhaps he is the key to learning world spells that could send PCs "home".
People of the Land
25067 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / Georgia
Offline
Posted 2/6/14 , edited 2/6/14

decker423 wrote:

If they can leave, I think it'll be because of one of the world spells is used.


Guess I'll start with this, because I agree, but I'm still unsure. I was pretty convinced that the latest World Fraction had fused our reality with an..augmented one. It recently hit me though, that the first thing the opening shows is someone logging in? Then it shows an earth in space along with an orb of water with something (users?) coming out of it. And was that hair in the water?

Any thoughts on that? Cause that's all I can think about now. My original theory was that the World Spell's effect is on Reality rather than a program that leads back to Reality. That they would be reverting something rather than escaping it. If that makes sense. Plus the first half of the show so far ended with Shiroe saying "This is our reality." haha

As for the Mage of Mistal Lake, I hope he doesn't turn out as villainous as he looks in the opening. But you have to wonder, if a Mage as wise as him was seeking answers from Shiroe. Who else could there be that could cast such a spell. Your friend might be right about it being the previous Mistal Lake Mage to cast it. Whether he was murdered or the spell killed him in the process of casting it.
Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 2/8/14
My friend's full theory was that there was the Mage of Mistal Lake and his apprentice (the current Mage of Mistal Lake). The original mage, the "master", was way higher up in level and knowledge than his apprentice. Also, to learn world spells and the such, it takes decades, if not centuries. The apprentice got tired of waiting and lusted for the knowledge of the master. He thought that by killing the master that he would achieve his knowledge and power but when he did he was still "him"- no extra powers or knowledge. My friend thinks that the Mage of the Mistal Lake's death triggered an "anchored spell"- that is the spell would be "triggered" to go off on his death. That spell was the cause of the Apocalypse. Now the apprentice, the NEW Mage of the Mistal Lake is up the creek with no paddle and is desperately trying to find answers. His presence with the people of the land would indicate (to me) that the Mage of the Mistal Lake was sort of like Merlin, a great mage who was an advisor to the PoL rulers.

Interesting theory about the beginning of Log Horizon. I'll have to re-watch it (I started this week). Don't know if this helps but this forum is the only place to discuss stuff.

BTW Vaughenator, do you go to Dragon Con? It's my yearly vacation.
People of the Land
25067 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / Georgia
Offline
Posted 2/11/14
Sorry, I do not. I'd like to start going to conventions though, they seem great.

Just in case:

Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 2/12/14
Rudy's a NPC or a Person of the Land. Lots of people get confused, about his class, rising levels, skills, etc. I just point to the Mage of Mistal Lake, he's a magic user type. He's high level. His knowledge and skills are high. We KNOW he's a POL. If he and other NPCs (the guards Crusty was sparring with for example) can exercise or use their skills (like sparring) then going up in levels is a matter of practical course. The key to Rudy is that he thinks that Adventurers are heroes. They're not heroes. They're literally from another world, that's what makes them different. The Mage of the Mistal Lake knows that their origins are different but he sees it in the Log Horizon paradigm- once there were races then came the goblins, etc. the Mage probably sees Adventurers as another manifestation in his world. Since the apocalypse, he's probably noticed that the adventurers haven't "left" and surely he's noticed that "new" or other adventurers haven't arrived. He can see that and has correlated this to the apocalypse.
Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 2/15/14


It is apparent from today's episode that the conversation between Shiroe and the Mage of the Mistal Lake was longer than was shown on the anime and information was exchanged that we didn't know about. Of course, we know that Shiroe was going to tell the mage what he knew of the Apocalypse. Apparently, the Mage told Shiroe the basics of world class spells, hence his expression when Shiroe turned Rudy into an "adventurer" and saved his life.
Props to 01Shula for saying earlier that the "contract" would be a key in reviving Rudy's life, and the possibility for contracts to create world-class spells.

I'd say that until Shiroe finds all of the proper "ingredients" for a world-fraction spell, we easily have the potential for him to find a way for all (but Rudy) adventurers to leave Log Horizon and go home to "reality".
People of the Land
25067 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / Georgia
Offline
Posted 2/17/14 , edited 2/17/14
I honestly didn't think Rudy was a...Person of the Land, until it was said. Main reason being that he had a status bar, saying his name, MP, HP, class, etc.
I think you mentioned the Mage-OML and his floating boxes of text, being potential spells that Shiroe could learn. Specifically the World Fraction spell. I think that the HUD, and the Display in general is a form of basic magic, perhaps below action-class magic. That, and Rudy seems to have kept all his progress and hard work as a Sorcerer.

So I'm pretty sure your right about "going up in levels (being) a matter of practical course."

It also seems things are taken more literally now, such as the revival incense that Shiroe used to force the link. (that whole scene really) It's amazing that a simple item he had with him could be so useful when used with his sub-class. Meaning ALL those other sub-classes have practical uses one way or the other. Even Seraras' Maid sub-class.

As a side note, I stumbled onto a Log Horizon Wiki, but didn't read much to avoid spoilers. I did confirm though that the level cap was raised to 100 with the Novasphere Pioneers expansion.(The Apocalypse)

Game Moderator
25063 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
47 / M / Southern Appalachia
Offline
Posted 2/17/14
It's stated in the episodes that the level cap was up'ed to 100. Just re-watched the entire series. Also, if you go back to the training camp, Minori realizes that Rudy is a Person of the Land before Isuzu. It's the scene where they're eating breakfast under a tent and begin to talk in detail about themselves. She sees a PC's name and it says "Isuzu/Adventurer". When she sees Rudy's it says: "Rudy/Sorcerer". It would seem that there are 2 levels of what an adventurer sees on a person's profile. First is name and adventurer or POL. Second is name, class and level. Minori did notice the difference between Isuzu and Rudy at that meeting.
Second, Rudy couldn't be added to Isuzu's friend list. He didn't have access to the "adventurer's screen" that everyone else had until he was resurrected (first thing he found when he was resurrected, started playing with it, etc).

Also, I think he lost 2 LvLs when being reincarnated. I may be wrong but I thought he was 27th LvL at the fight at the town but when resurrected at the cathedral, he was 25th LvL.
You must be logged in to post.