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Post Reply Censorship on Manga, your opinion?
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Posted 1/23/14 , edited 1/23/14

RAfighter wrote:

I dislike censorship, because the original intent of the creator is lost. I want to see manga or any other media free of censorship, if the content is too extreme for some people then don't partake in that media. If you are trying to protect children then parents should be more vigilant and stop leaving everything to the FCC.


The original intent of the creator... why is it so special? I want to see some people backing up this and similar claims, because while I might believe it relevant (and often important), I don't like how its being held up as this sacred standard. A little explanation would be nice, even if it literally is some sort of "religious belief" you have. Most fans I know have their own personal canon (remember, "fan" is short for "fanatic" in this usage) so the people that are most supportive of a creators' works often don't subscribe 100% to said creator's intent. I know I don't believe in Creator Infallibility; I assume that the manga and animé I enjoy are not the works of God, but of man.

Broad generalizations are no one's friend. If someone is unaware of how much material is foisted upon people, then please pay more attention. Unless you go live in a cave somewhere you're going to be exposed to a lot of things you aren't seeking out. Unless you want to actually increase restrictions on access, you're going to need to accept some censorship, because while I may be fine viewing something I purchased, borrowed, etc. that is because I control what I see and who sees it. If it is being aired on broadcast television (for example), someone just changing channels can stumble upon it. I don't want everyone who reads manga and watches animé stereotyped, so I'd appreciate it if we don't do that to every parent. We live in the "information age"; even vigilant parents can't stop everything.

I am getting a bitter laugh over people that probably don't want me to judge them (or their tastes), and would hate for me to "enforce my morality" upon them... but are doing that to me, and to a lot of people "in the industry". Not every aspect of a piece of a work is vital. Who are "you" (general "you" here) to tell the creator, the distributor of the works, and the consumers that want a censored version... they can't have it?

No I don't support all censorship. I am definitely concerned about true government censorship, especially of ideas. It has been said earlier that it is best to approach this as a "case by case" basis, and I agree with that; even if there are overarching principles that guide such decisions, there are too many variables to create a concise set of descriptors.
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Posted 1/23/14

KamisamanoOtaku wrote: Not every aspect of a piece of a work is vital.


Exactly. I'm not going to pretend that I know for sure, but I'd like to believe most mangaka who write serious stories (like I"s) don't do so to titillate readers with nudity. Unless the edit in question removed some of the drama or character development, I fail to see what the problem is.

Context plays a large role in censorship, which is why I can't say for sure if the censoring that started this debate was "necessary" or not - I don't know the exact chapter / page, nor have I read I"s in its entirety (I read the preview chapter(s) back when Shonen Jump still had an English print publication and found it somewhat droll). Nonetheless, without context to place it in, I don't think censoring the bare breasts of a teenage girl will detract much (if anything) from the actual plot.

Still not cool to censor in the first place, but honestly, most mangaka are probably more interested in whether or not readers are enjoying their story (or, if you want to be more cynical, whether or not they're making money off it). The only instance I know of where an artist refused to have his work censored was the 10th Anniversary Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Pack; all of the illustrations were done by Kazuki Takahashi (the original mangaka), and he didn't want the Dark Magician Girl's cleavage censored. As a result, there's no DMG card in the international release.

Personally, I think a lot must needs be taken into account before deciding whether or not a censoring is necessary. Culture, law, context...
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Posted 1/24/14
Dear God no.
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Posted 1/24/14
I agree. Most creators, when they do that it's for some their audience who see that stuff. But in a sense it should be censored because there are some people out there who are younger.
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Posted 1/24/14 , edited 1/24/14
I buy manga in Japanese only, the original stuff. It too is censored because I'm not buying hentai but it is at least the way the author made it. They have fun with the censorship. I stopped buying stuff from Viz 10 years ago, just fed up with the censorship, the translations, the lag time in releases. Learn Japanese, read Japanese, enjoy Japanese censorship!
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Posted 1/24/14 , edited 1/24/14
Personally, I like to see what the creator was aiming for. Or as close to it as you can get given having to translate the dialogue.

And sometimes censorship can be applied without affecting how the story plays out, or how it comes across. But this is down to the nature of the story, not the nature of the whether the visuals are culturally acceptable. The problem with censorship is that it will be applied to serve what is deemed to be acceptable, regardless of whether it harms the story or not. And sometimes it won't. But sometimes it will.
And I would rather judge a story based on its original artwork content, not any "edits for taste".
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