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What do you really think of Censorship on CR.
Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14

KatakuraKippei wrote:

it started when i made that acc cause when i first tried to watch Demon King Daimao and other ecchi anime it popped up.


I just checked that Demon King Daimao. It didn't show the message "This video may be inappropriate for some people. Are you sure you want to continue?"
Does it show it up when you do it now?
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Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14

VNlover555 wrote:

I just checked that Demon King Daimao. It didn't show the message "This video may be inappropriate for some people. Are you sure you want to continue?"
Does it show it up when you do it now?


not since i enabled mature content.
Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14

Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse? Crunchyroll.com is not the one who moderates your account settings, that is you.

I'm sure that "Yes/No" option has been there for ages, since "ecchi" tags have been around forever.


How are we supposed to know that the setting is there? Are we supposed to look at every setting and read what each one does? I don't think EVERYONE does that. Some might. If I asked all my buddies on CR "Do you look through all the settings and know what each setting does?" I wonder how many of them would say yes.
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Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14

VNlover555 wrote:

How are we supposed to know that the setting is there? Are we supposed to look at every setting and read what each one does? I don't think EVERYONE does that. Some might. If I asked all my buddies on CR "Do you look through all the settings and know what each setting does?" I wonder how many of them would say yes.


Yes. That is what you should be doing. It's what I do. Especially if you know that there's "ecchi" anime out there, and you're easily offended by such things.

You do realize what you're saying makes no logical sense whatsoever, right?
Posted 1/30/14
Hell no to censorship. If anything, I encourage CR to get shows that can appeal to people who like non-mainstream stuff.

Tired of this "it's bad for the children" excuse that people constantly use, I've watched the most obscene things when I was 13, and I didn't turn out to be a rapist.
Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14
Goodnight.
Finish your discussion among yourself.
I've said what I thought.
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Posted 1/30/14
I'm always on the side of the argument saying that parents need to be more aware and restrictive of what their children are doing instead of blaming the company that is providing a service/product going so far as to including warnings, labels, and information.

If anything CR could just incorporate parental control settings into the account that lets parents put in a password before the anime is viewable. Or they could work something else out that allows parents more control. This is also why CR needs to bite the bullet and make some anime membership only due to content.

I'm not a fan of ecchi anime at all but I love horror, gore, and psychological thrillers that may even delve into religions (NGE for example or in cases of gruesome gore an anime like Corpse Party. I think CR should get an even wider variety of anime in my opinion and try to have something for everyone instead of catering to a specific age or genre or otakus in general. My favorite kind of anime is very rarely even produced yet alone licensed by CR.

For example the last actual Horror anime on CR that I actually enjoyed pretty well was "Another" back in 2012. I don't think its good for kids at all but I'm also not going to go blame CR for having it on their website if I had a kid and he stumbled acrossed/watched it. This is cause I would be monitoring what hes doing on it and I would be the one entering the password for the account each time. It's unfortunate that CR allows an anime like this to be viewed without an account but its also to attract new members. Even Sentai filmworks lists the anime as 14+ for age rating. Honestly though If I had a minor I was worried about, I would be monitoring internet activity anyways.
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Posted 1/30/14

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Goodnight.
Finish your discussion among yourself.
I've said what I thought.



l0l, so awkward.
Posted 1/30/14
I thought that particular anime mentioned by OP was for little kids. I couldn't sit through an episode...zzzz...
Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14

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I'm always on the side of the argument saying that parents need to be more aware and restrictive of what their children are doing instead of blaming the company that is providing a service/product going so far as to including warnings, labels, and information.

If anything CR could just incorporate parental control settings into the account that lets parents put in a password before the anime is viewable. Or they could work something else out that allows parents more control. This is also why CR needs to bite the bullet and make some anime membership only due to content.

I'm not a fan of ecchi anime at all but I love horror, gore, and psychological thrillers that may even delve into religions (NGE for example or in cases of gruesome gore an anime like Corpse Party. I think CR should get an even wider variety of anime in my opinion and try to have something for everyone instead of catering to a specific age or genre or otakus in general. My favorite kind of anime is very rarely even produced yet alone licensed by CR.

For example the last actual Horror anime on CR that I actually enjoyed pretty well was "Another" back in 2012. I don't think its good for kids at all but I'm also not going to go blame CR for having it on their website if I had a kid and he stumbled acrossed/watched it. This is cause I would be monitoring what hes doing on it and I would be the one entering the password for the account each time. It's unfortunate that CR allows an anime like this to be viewed without an account but its also to attract new members. Even Sentai filmworks lists the anime as 14+ for age rating. Honestly though If I had a minor I was worried about, I would be monitoring internet activity anyways.


I'm glad you agree with us to some point. However not all parents think like you sadly. They might originally. But life will get in the way. The parents might be busy and can't moniter what their kids do online or offline. Then you have those parents that don't care. Then you have those parents who think that their kid(s) are PERFECT. That they would NEVER do anything like lie,cheat,steal, do drugs,etc... After all; they are sweet little angels.I have a real life friend who's mother thinks that about her son. He believes that he is perfect now and can do whatever he wants.
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Posted 1/30/14
Each site has its terms of service and regulation, it's privacy and copyright policy, FAQ and so on. It's up to the users to get themselves familiarized with their options and their rights. If a child comes running to its parent that it saw some naked animated ladies on the Internet, then it's not the Internet or the site that is to blame, but the parents, who obviously let their underaged offspring alone in front of a computer, which has access to the Internet - obviously the child had enough time to search, find and watch the mature content unnoticed, which implies that during this time the child could have just as easily drowned in the swimming pool, get badly hurt without anyone noticing.

I understand, naturally, that it's not everybody's cup of tea to see incestuous, homosexual or heterosexual or some other kind of sexual content displayed in animations. But this is hardly a kindergarten environment where others take care of other people's children.

It's time for people to man up a little, and be responsible for themselves. If you don't check out your options, then I can only tell you that feigning ignorance in this situation is pointless, because it does not pardon you in front of laws and regulations.
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Posted 1/30/14 , edited 1/30/14
Good Evening! It seems that this topic has been lively for a few people on here last night, and throughout the day.

I had forgotten about the “Mature Content” switch in the “Settings” here on Crunchyroll, and yes if you don’t have the settings selected to “Show all Mature Content” then the message will appear.

I have my settings to “Show all Mature Content” and I had forgotten about that!
I started this thread thinking that it would provide some dialog about censorship on Crunchyroll. Maybe the idea is not so much about censorship, but more about access.

It is not easy to keep immature minds from witnessing vulgarity, or put ideas in their heads until they are ready to comprehend and process the idea through a BS filter that adults use.

Suspending ones disbelief is part of the reason why many of us come here; to get away from reality. But younger minds take everything in like a sponge and do not have the capacity to tell right from wrong or make proper judgment calls on what will hurt them, or what “proper” behavior is. Children are mimics, and copy everything they see, until they learn that such actions are not proper are harmful to themselves or others.

If everyone made the right decisions toward people, we would not need any laws. But new laws are create every year because someone has figured out a new way to hurt their fellow man, for their own personal gain.

Children are trusting of adults to protect them from harm, feed them, give them shelter, and teach them values. Not teach them to scam, scheme and lie. There is still people in this world that use children as slaves and for deviant sexual perversions.

Now…that is not what is going on here, and I digress.

This is about “Access” not so much about “Censorship” as I have stated before. There has to be fences, or no one will have any “Privacy”. Our Society and societies around the world cannot be “Free range” for anyone and everyone to do as they please, and take. If that were so, then the word “Civilization” will cease to exist and the moral underpinnings will collapse and anarchy will rein supreme.

For anyone that has children and a family to protect, this is a frightening scenario, as anyone that has watched “World War Z” can attest to…not that Anime is going to raise its ugly head and take over the world (I’m sure the Naruto fans would be at the ready), but all things in moderation…and where proper mentoring of impressionable minds exist; a necessary line should be drawn, and enforced.

“You must be this high to ride this ride.” needs to be enforced, not only for their own good, but for the liability of Crunchyroll…

Keep Anime fun…and beyond reproach, and age level appropriate.

That’s all I and VNLover555 are saying. How that can be achievable I’m sure will be an ever evolving process if Crunchyroll wants to expand their “Content” and make it more “mainstream” for their bottom line.

No pun intended…
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Posted 1/31/14 , edited 1/31/14

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"Your use of the Site, Services, Crunchyroll Content and any other content made available through the Site or Services is at your sole risk and discretion and Crunchyroll hereby disclaims any and all liability to you or any third party relating thereto."

Source: http://www.crunchyroll.com/tos


Of course, there is always something left for improvement, but I guess best would be to have some concrete ideas or solutions that are fair for everyone, and that can be applied in reality as well as in the website "mechanism".

EDIT:
I am currently just trying to find out what the "-" in the video mature content settings implies (as it seems to be the default). Does it filter content in some way, or not at all, which would allow for mature content to be displayed anyway? It seems to neutralise one's viewing standpoint on mature content, but I am unaware of what that would imply.
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Posted 1/31/14 , edited 1/31/14

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“You must be this high to ride this ride.” needs to be enforced, not only for their own good, but for the liability of Crunchyroll…

Keep Anime fun…and beyond reproach, and age level appropriate.

That’s all I and VNLover555 are saying. How that can be achievable I’m sure will be an ever evolving process if Crunchyroll wants to expand their “Content” and make it more “mainstream” for their bottom line.

No pun intended…


The problem is you are putting two different scenarios together and making it out to be one problem.

-Kids being able to watch anime that is not suitable.
-Garnishing an age level for all anime on CR


Telling CR to make all their anime for a certain age group or appropriate for kids lets say for example "rated E" for everyone is subjecting CR to a very limited amount of anime and only catering to your wishes and anyone who agrees with you.

Telling CR they should enforce rules and regulations to prevent children from accessing anime not suitable is a completely different alternative that "I" can relate to because CR can still maintain a wide variety of anime and doesn't cater to anyone or age group specifically. As a business, this would be the best choice anyway.

The best solution sadly, is to make it so that some anime is Subscription members only. This way free members can still watch anime and parents are able to control when a password is used for an account so they are obviously present when their child is watching anime while also controlling how long. This basically transfers all control to the parents.

Edit: I'm just going to say it. The main problem here is that you guys are thinking way to much in terms of "well in a perfect world..." blah blah blah, that's just not going to happen. When a kid can get on google and type porn into the search and instantly be filled with questions and be disturbed. More often than not just talking to people online can be just as disturbing for children. This is why kids should not be getting computers in their rooms until a certain age and parents need to learn more about how a cable router/modem works and deny access / put computers in specific areas, discipline there kids... so forth because there is no such thing as a perfect world.
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Posted 1/31/14 , edited 1/31/14

"The problem is you are putting two different scenarios together and making it out to be one problem.

-Kids being able to watch anime that is not suitable.
-Garnishing an age level for all anime on CR


Telling CR to make all their anime for a certain age group or appropriate for kids lets say for example "rated E" for everyone is subjecting CR to a very limited amount of anime and only catering to your wishes and anyone who agrees with you.

Telling CR they should enforce rules and regulations to prevent children from accessing anime not suitable is a completely different alternative that "I" can relate to because CR can still maintain a wide variety of anime and doesn't cater to anyone or age group specifically. As a business, this would be the best choice anyway.

The best solution sadly, is to make it so that some anime is Subscription members only. This way free members can still watch anime and parents are able to control when a password is used for an account so they are obviously present when their child is watching anime while also controlling how long. This basically transfers all control to the parents.

Edit: I'm just going to say it. The main problem here is that you guys are thinking way to much in terms of "well in a perfect world..." blah blah blah, that's just not going to happen. When a kid can get on google and type porn into the search and instantly be filled with questions and be disturbed. More often than not just talking to people online can be just as disturbing for children. This is why kids should not be getting computers in their rooms until a certain age and parents need to learn more about how a cable router/modem works and deny access / put computers in specific areas, discipline there kids... so forth because there is no such thing as a perfect world."


Can restricting Access be considered "Censorship"?

I am not proposing that Crunchyroll not have the ability to get all Anime, but I do remember that even the Video stores (some that still exist) have an "Adult Only" section that has restricted access.

I don't want Crunchyroll to be like China that Censors their population on what they have access to!

No! That would not be fun for anybody, and would just encourage people, young and old, to try and get around the barriers.

Kids are crafty, they will sneak into theaters, steal their dads liqueur, or smokes, etc. Kids are very good at hacking into programs, not because they are necessarily smart, but because they are relentless and will pound on keys, doors, locks, to gain access.

Does that mean we should not try to restrict? Also no! Rules are in place for a reason to command respect and when they are old enough to have access, it becomes a right of passage for them, because they are given the freedom as well as knowing the responsibility that comes with that.

It is not an easy topic, and given the internet these days, where access seems to be unlimited, it is one that needs to be discussed, whether it is here or somewhere else. Kids are shooting up schools because of access to their parents guns. The intellectuals want to blame Video games as a source of the problem. How long before they start blaming Anime?

I get the argument that parents should monitor what their kids do, but parents can't be everywhere hounding their kids.

Am I putting the responsibility on Crunchyroll? To some degree I am. But I also understand that Crunchyroll can't make access so problematic that it drives people away.

I don't want to limit access for Adults. Especially if they are paying a hefty membership! After all, they paid for the service!

I don't know what the answer is...if I did, I would start a company, and make lot's of money, because there is a need!

Figure that one out, and you will be rich! We will never have a "Perfect World" because for every lock, there is a pick, and for every spy, there is a counter spy.

Most restrictions in this world are to keep the "Honest" people out, the "Dishonest" will always find a way to break in.

Maybe Crunchyroll should put more online "Queuing" ropes as a warning? This still would not keep some out, but it would serve "Notice" to the under age that they are stepping over the line, and if caught "Will be Banned" as Crunchyroll likes to say.

Like I said before I don't have an answer...and maybe never will. I just wanted to see how many people out there had thoughts on this.

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