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Miyazaki: The Problem With The Anime Industry Is It's Full of Otaku
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I think it's true somewhat. Anime now is becoming less of what it was when I was younger. It went from badass warriors to fifteen year old girls in miniskirts


so sad, so true.
This is part of the reason I don't go to the store and buy many dvds.


Yeah, the only modern classics are FMA Brotherhood from 2010 and Attack on Titan from 2013 of what I know/remember
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If you want to make your money back, you give it to a person with a record. It doesn't matter what they do, so long as they make money. Traveling well covered territory is only a safe bet when pioneers have already paved the way ahead. Those anime, while enjoyable, are basically filling in a gap in demand created by shows that spur people's imaginations. You hear a few big successful names because they make good stuff, and that stuff makes more money they use to make more stuff. It works at all levels. Or at least, I think it does, that makes most sense to me right now. I think most shows have a director who is ultimately responsible for the show's success.

The idea that 90% of everything is crap is all fine and dandy until you replace it with another number and realize it makes no difference. 99% of everything is crap is basically the same thing, 70% of everything is crap is basically the same thing. You pick whatever arbitrary percent of everything that will be crap, and there it is. It doesn't really tell us anything other than that people who say it think some amount of everything is crap.

I suppose a casual viewer would find generic fluff enjoyable. I find generic fluff enjoyable. The thing is, wouldn't they like something great more? I think they would. If I was going to recommend something to somebody, I would ask what genre they want to watch, and then throw them the best I know of in that genre, I wouldn't recommend they watch something mediocre.

As far as I'm concerned anime is an art form. Somebody wrote a script, which is being played out in pictures on our computers or phones or televisions for our enjoyment. Each person in that script is meant to be a person. People are individuals. If you look at HxH, all those characters have personalities distinct from each other, but mesh into the world's overall framework, and all their thoughts and actions are made as if the author was trying to think from that specific character's point of view when thinking about what they should do next, in pursuit of whatever goals they have in mind, and their personality.

That artwork should be polished as far as it can be taken. It should be the best they can get it. Why settle for making something generic when you can try to make it great? Their job is to make anime, they must be trying, or they wouldn't be doing it. I think they just need some fresh ideas, outside wherever the usual places they look are. I wouldn't call what gets turned out crap, because it's enjoyable.
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ok I can see that.


(off topic) Hammers Slammers would make an awesome anime

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Personally, i think he is referring to the animation its self. not the anime in general. that would make a lot more sense. like his saying the animation it's self is suffering, not anime as a whole. which could be true. if animators don't know how people act, the character interaction will suffer.

I agree. From my read of the article, that's what I also thought he meant. I do agree with his conclusion, but the other question is a much more compelling one, which is why I think people (including myself) have latched onto it.


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If you are going to write and publish something, their is a LOT of interaction involved. Unless you're making crude Fan fiction in the depths of the internet, you're going to show that story to someone. And if someone liked it, it's going to go a little farther. You don't just live your life without social interaction, it's not so simple.

I agree. It's much harder to actually avoid human interaction than it is to have it. But just doing the basics; that's not getting you anywhere. I'm think of real, meaningful, personal relationships. Having relationships, getting in fights, hurting people and getting hurt, making mistakes, getting messy (Magic School Bus, anyone?). Those kind of lives are what teach people how to be human. Think of many of famous writers of literature. Sure, lots of them were kind of awful people, drunkards, womanizers, etc, etc, but they were out there living life. I don't want to idealize the wanton writer, but there is a certain amount of human knowledge they gained from being engaged in life.


Generic crap is first and foremost, generic. They have a style, they have a fan base, they simply produce more of it. While I want something more, this is because I've already seen the Generic. As much as I want to praise Buddy Complex for it's fantastic visuals and decent writing, all I see is Gundam. The mecha's look like repainted Gundams with fin's attatched, the Characters are just copies of the original Gundam characters, the plot is recycled right down to the very actions every single crew member takes. I see a character and shout "hey it's that guy!" not because I recognize a voice actor, but because I recognize the same character from the original work.
It's generic, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's something for more casual viewers.

The interesting thing about the term "generic" is that it's derived from genre, you know? So we have genres, like mecha, fantasy, rom-com, etc, but there are also "genres" of characters and even a style. You could say that Buddy Complex is an example of the "Gundam Genre." This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but whatever.



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This is the eternal balance that you have in the entertainment industry, no matter if it be anime, film, TV, whatever.

Find the next big thing=profit.
Capitalize on the big thing.
Put out quantities, usually regardless of quality, until... <---As much as we hate it, this step is what keeps companies afloat in between the really good stuff. Without it, the companies go under and we have nothing.
Find the next big thing=profit.

And around and around it goes.

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rofl.

it's probably true, because how else would we keep getting stupid anime characters that are so unrealistic. these animemakers need to come back down to Earth
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There is a different way to view those comments

Animation is about capturing the essence of movement. You get that right by watching people, by paying attention to how they walk, how they talk how they gesture when making a point. One of the things that always captivates me with the Ghibli stuff is the subtleties of the character movement. You can't convey that if you aren't paying attention to real people.

Not paying attention to people, not studying people, not looking at real people means your animation is static. It ends up missing a sense of real life to it.

and you can see that in a lot of shows these days. There is plenty of good posing and action and style in a lot of today's shows but there are also subtle human elements that are missing. elements you only recognize when you actively study how humans behave.
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ok I can see that.


(off topic) Hammers Slammers would make an awesome anime



I was about to say it would be nearly impossible to do justice to... but then I thought again.
You'd need a director who loved and understood the work and the message. The first Slammers stories Drake admits were his attempts at self help post Vietnam when he says of himself "I wasn't too tightly wrapped" It would be tempting to turn them into some sort of 'edgy/cool pornography of violence" show like Attack on Titan and Black Lagoon have been accused of being, still you'd need someone who was about as afraid of onscreen bloodshed and the dark side of humanity as the creators of Elfen Lied were to get that violence right

You'd a director willing to earn a nickname like 'Urobutcher' as (Unlike Attack on Titan) he proves that NO ONE has plot armour.

on the other side, strangely enough Drake has populated his Slammer's stories with things that could be seen as anime tropes.

You have a giggling, hyperlethal, bishounen sociopath.
You have a Swarm of lethal ladies (They wouldn't be up to anime standards of 'hotness' being older than 18 wearing full fatigues/body armour and often covered with grease, dirt or blood) often in command or just hyper competent, and just as likely to die as the guys.
You would have tons of morality tales where there where no good guys and/or no happy endings.
You'd have a enough individual stories you could almost tell it episodically and probably run it for what. 4? 5? cours?
You'd have retro/modern ACAVs and Tanks with main guns and small arms that were both ray guns and cartridge fed.
You even have subtle hints and nods at spirituality that COULD be just dreams and fantasies.. or maybe buddy's dead friend really WAS warning him about that land mine.

Damn I'm starting to get sold on this...

As long as 'Junebug' Ransom doesn't lead 'Rolling Hot' in cutoffs. Or Margritte doesn't recruit herself from her homestead while wearing a miniskirt.... <<<< I think those would be a betrayal of the work.

it could be... actually.

More likely to do it right than Hollywood any day I assure you that.








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uncletim wrote:



ok I can see that.


(off topic) Hammers Slammers would make an awesome anime



I was about to say it would be nearly impossible to do justice to... but then I thought again.
You'd need a director who loved and understood the work and the message. The first Slammers stories Drake admits were his attempts at self help post Vietnam when he says of himself "I wasn't too tightly wrapped" It would be tempting to turn them into some sort of 'edgy/cool pornography of violence" show like Attack on Titan and Black Lagoon have been accused of being, still you'd need someone who was about as afraid of onscreen bloodshed and the dark side of humanity as the creators of Elfen Lied were to get that violence right



I think this is true of any visual adaptation of a novel (live action or anime). There is a lot of great Sci-Fi novels that would make excellent anime. The Honor Harrington series (David Weber), Mutineer's Moon (David Weber), Starship Troopers (nobody has done it justice yet), The Legacy of the Aldenata series by John Ringo, the Monster Hunter International series by Larry Corriea, the urban fantasy of Mercedes Lackey, Vatta's War by Elizabeth Moon, and the list goes on. But, the people adapting these stories need to love them. Otherwise, the adaptations will be horrible (see Starship Troopers).
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One thing I've noticed in all the arguments against what Miyazaki is saying is mostly due to the fact that Americans are trying to commandeer the word "otaku" as something "good". It isn't. Even teenagers these days don't look at the word as something good. So he's right that the industry is narrow-minded and unable to branch out outside of their little world. From an artistic point of view it's impossible to recreate something you've never experienced. As the saying goes "do only what you know" and otaku's lifestyle and isolation limits their creativity. Miyazaki is 100% correct.
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I hope four or five years from now we have anime shows that STAY within the borderline of cliche and originality.

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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


meowth900 wrote:

I think it's true somewhat. Anime now is becoming less of what it was when I was younger. It went from badass warriors to fifteen year old girls in miniskirts


so sad, so true.
This is part of the reason I don't go to the store and buy many dvds.


Yeah, the only modern classics are FMA Brotherhood from 2010 and Attack on Titan from 2013 of what I know/remember


Well now you have badass warrior girls fighting in mini skirts, (Kill la Kill) lol

They must be doing something right.
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Yeah by the way TV looks, now anime is the best thing out there... >_> isn't he about 60 years old so yeah he shouldn't be talking because anime is meant for younger people geez >_> but he is right about the otaku thing and some of the shows unrealistic feel to them. I am not an otaku,but anime right now is the best in society
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Ahh, Miyazaki. Never afraid to say whatever's on your mind.

He could be absolutely correct in regards to animation (which is what he's talking about - the animation itself, not the fans). I don't know that much about the industry, though, so I can't give much of an opinion. It looks like he's saying that anime is getting more and more unrealistic, which is an iffy statement. I just think there's more anime being produced now than there was before, and for different reasons - not necessarily due to a lack of talent on the animator's part.

Miyazaki is renowned for his old-school approach to... Well, everything, so this is probably just an example of him not being in touch with current trends. He's always looked down on newer animation techniques in general.
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I think what he's saying is not that it's the people who watch anime who are otakus, but the ones who make it. To quote the article,

"According to the recent retiree, anime suffers because industry staff is made up of otaku who "don't spend time watching real people" and are "humans who can't stand looking at other humans."

Miyazaki explained that animating people can only be done by those who spend time observing others, something he feels the industry lacks because it's "full of otaku.""

I can understand this, because it would result in anime that seem to be unrealistic, which is very prevalent in many nowadays. For example, I can't think of a single Miyazaki film where we see a character's head suddenly swell to three times its size, with the mouth following suit, and the character then screaming their head off at another one. I'm not saying there's anything bad with stuff like this being in an anime, so don't mishear what I'm saying.

Perhaps he's afraid that the type of anime that he has worked on will fade away or that people will start assuming that Japanese people frequently yell at each other and engage in other likewise behavior as seen in anime? Just speculation on my part, I'm not Miyazaki after all.
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Yeah by the way TV looks, now anime is the best thing out there... >_> isn't he about 60 years old so yeah he shouldn't be talking because anime is meant for younger people geez >_> but he is right about the otaku thing and some of the shows unrealistic feel to them. I am not an otaku,but anime right now is the best in society


I somewhat agree with you and somewhat disagree with you. By this I mean, original Animes tend to be crap, but Anime adaptations of novels, mangas, and whatever else can be adapted tend to generally be really good. That is primarily because anime becomes a generally complete adaptation of good work that is already in existence.

On the other hand, original movies can be really good or really bad, however movie adaptations of a complete story have a higher chance of being bad, unless they are given like a 100 million dollar budget and a 3 hour run time. The reason movie adaptations tend to be bad is because they are generally an abridged version of the original work. You are trying to fit a whole novel, something that could probably fill a 5 hour movie if completely adapted, into an hour and a half. You have to leave out so many things that help set the mood and reinforce the characters. In the end, the movie just doesn't seem nearly as good.

Then there is TV. TV tends to alter the base work heavily. It can be good, or it can be bad, however in general it will be watered down due to budget constraints and censoring issues.

So in a sense you are right, anime is the best media, because anime is the media with which it is most simple to recreate a complete work. Movies have time constraints, and TV has budget constraints. However, the bigger budgets of movies and the fact that TV has live actors allows those mediums to represent some genres/works better than anime. Anime is the easiest genre with which to recreate a novel or comic/manga with though.
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