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Anyone thinks university is over-rated for getting a job? I think it is highly over-rated
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I work as a system admin for a living and most of the people at my company don't have college degrees. Some of our management team doesn't either. What matters in this industry is your own knowledge and your drive to continually improve. I'm completely self-taught and have been working in this field for 3 1/2 years now. I make good money and in a couple of years, once I pass the 5 year mark, I'll be making over $100k a year.

I'm pretty happy with my situation, my career of choice, and the fact that I was able to get to where I am all without a piece of paper hanging on a frame on the wall behind me collecting dust.


I'm sorry, not to be a fuddy duddy, but when people say they make that much, no one puts into the perspective of the cost of living. Sure, it sounds a lot, but in the end, it means nothing if most of your paycheck goes to paying for the basic necessities. Granted, the opportunities for jobs are probably more abundant in large metropolitan areas though.

As for the topic at hand, I am biased because I went to a university and I have a job that without going through that higher education, I would have never gotten it. But it's all relative to what you want to do. I am of the mindset that there are professions out there that better cater to those with experience where degrees don't matter whereas there are professions that completely bar you from it without specialized training and knowledge of the subject matter. You wouldn't want a so-called dentist working on your teeth if they hadn't had proper schooling, right?
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Definitely overrated. I know we all panic before majors tests and stuff but like...tests to Uni is just another one so...its not like you DIE if you don't get into Uni. There's plenty of ways to get to the places you want. I just dunno how yet XD Need to do more research and stuff.
Something I totally hate thats also overrated is the boasting about which Uni is better or "OMIGOSH I GOT INTO UNI-- OH YOU DIDN'T"
Well, I personally don't think its a major deal not making it. Uni has pros and cons, PROS: Yay you just MIGHT get better job choices.... CONS: Sucker... you have to study extra years...
For me, I just think its not about whether your Uni is good, or whether your job is far better. I mean heaps of people wanna be like some high classed stuff like doctors, lawyers and all that but really, finding a job is just the main point. You get your pay then its good. As long as you won't have to pay debt and stuff, I'd just rather take a more simplistic style job and cut around all that extra stuff .__.

I don't know. Just my opinion. Though if you could get into Uni, I'd be greatly happy cos it opens more pathways but if you don't no big deal. The stressing out and stuff is overrated.
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The biggest problem is that my generation was raised believing that college is this end-all be-all key to whether or not you succeed in life. Everything in grade school, starting as early as elementary school, was all built to get us accepted into good colleges. I'm not even exaggerating, I remember specifically taking practice exams in 5th grade in preparation for the SAT that I wouldn't take until 11th.

But what I learned the hard way is that a degree by itself isn't that valuable. Since so many people are getting degrees nowadays, having actual job experience is starting to prove to be just as if not more valuable than a degree alone. I am working as an engineer for the military and hoping to start working on my new degree when I get stationed to a land unit, and talking with some job providers outside of the military it's interesting how much they reject fresh people out of college.

It makes sense though. You may be able to draw up schematics and spout of system parameters like a freaking manual, but if you've never actually turned wrenches and built that engine how can an employer really trust that you are competent enough?

Getting actual work experience with a degree though can make you an extremely valuable asset. It shows that you have done the job before even if just under an internship, and you have the credentials that say that you earned the knowledge to do the more advanced work that those without it can't say.

So getting a degree can be worth it depending on what it is, but my generation is really getting the shaft as far as that goes because honestly, we were bred with the idea of, "You WILL go to college or you WILL be a failure" even though it's not true, and in fact can even serve to create false expectations (psychology degree anyone?) and put you in a worse position than if you just became a manager at a McDonalds.


I seem to have had a very different educational experience. The vast majority of my education was tailored for countless less useful tests, the acronyms of which I can't even remember anymore--the kind that evaluate the schools and not the students. I don't remember even one practice exam for the SAT, and I'm pretty sure I never even took it. Nevertheless, I did get into a university, which provided me the opportunity for an internship in my field. Thanks to that, I now have my degree and an excellent job to go with it.

So to answer the original question, I really don't think that university is overrated. I do, however, think that going into debt is very highly overrated, and if you must do so to get your degree then it's definitely worth considering other options.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

Right now there's an idiot proof policy on the developed world so anyone can use their equipment, drive a car, answer a telephone.
The key to living successfully is to be "of the majority." especially in a democracy.

So if you work in retail for minimum wage, are married with at least one child, rent your house watch more sport than is healthy and drug yourself into a stupor at least once a week then you are living as well as you can expect to.


Absolutely everyone I've ever known in nutshell ^

*contemplates the meaning of life* T_T


You're jumping ahead of yourself, to contemplate the meaning of life you must first know that there is one.
And since there's no reason to believe there is, I think you're assuming this important detail.
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Nicole wrote:


Striketh wrote:

I work as a system admin for a living and most of the people at my company don't have college degrees. Some of our management team doesn't either. What matters in this industry is your own knowledge and your drive to continually improve. I'm completely self-taught and have been working in this field for 3 1/2 years now. I make good money and in a couple of years, once I pass the 5 year mark, I'll be making over $100k a year.

I'm pretty happy with my situation, my career of choice, and the fact that I was able to get to where I am all without a piece of paper hanging on a frame on the wall behind me collecting dust.


I'm sorry, not to be a fuddy duddy, but when people say they make that much, no one puts into the perspective of the cost of living. Sure, it sounds a lot, but in the end, it means nothing if most of your paycheck goes to paying for the basic necessities. Granted, the opportunities for jobs are probably more abundant in large metropolitan areas though.

As for the topic at hand, I am biased because I went to a university and I have a job that without going through that higher education, I would have never gotten it. But it's all relative to what you want to do. I am of the mindset that there are professions out there that better cater to those with experience where degrees don't matter whereas there are professions that completely bar you from it without specialized training and knowledge of the subject matter. You wouldn't want a so-called dentist working on your teeth if they hadn't had proper schooling, right?


I am in the unique position of having a job that allows me to work from home, so I can work from anywhere. I currently live in a place where you can get a 3 bedroom apartment for a mere $800 a month. Though state taxes are higher.

I make the same regardless of where I live, so it's very easy to balance what I make with the regional cost of living. I always try to ensure that I'm living somewhere convenient, but also on the cheaper side so I can pocket the majority of my checks (or in my case invest a large portion for retirement)
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The problem is that high schools encourage every student no matter how directionless or immature they are for their age to jump head first into the world of higher education. They either fail out, or get easier degrees that won't land them jobs just so that they can graduate and make their parents (or whoever) happy. There's no purpose to it at all. They end up with nothing to show for themselves except for an enormous debt burden.

But on the other hand it's not very fun to have to live with shit wages while people who are way dumber than you look down on your educational background, using it as an excuse to pay you less regardless how long you've worked there or how well you've done.

Honestly when it comes to university, I think a lot of the time it's a case of you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. And it completely sucks.
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Striketh wrote:

I am in the unique position of having a job that allows me to work from home, so I can work from anywhere. I currently live in a place where you can get a 3 bedroom apartment for a mere $800 a month. Though state taxes are higher.

I make the same regardless of where I live, so it's very easy to balance what I make with the regional cost of living. I always try to ensure that I'm living somewhere convenient, but also on the cheaper side so I can pocket the majority of my checks (or in my case invest a large portion for retirement)


That's a good position to have and a smart one at that. I know I'm making generalizations, but I fear that a lot of people look at baseline salaries of careers and don't take into account the cost of living. Big cities, "high-paying jobs"... the money one can net can be nearly non-existent after bills and taxes come into play.
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I think it can enhance your probability of getting a job. But don't think that all you have to do is get good grades and you'll get a job. That's not enough today. You need communication and leadership skills and ways to show that. What is going to make you different from the other 10,000 people with that same exact degree?
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i totally disagree with you. First of all who wants to become a plumber. Community college only offer AA degree which is the lowest form of degree and a lot of people that goes to community college eventually transfer to a university. Everyone that goes to a university are well aware that it's costly. Second thing of all you said it's not worth going $100,000 into debts. People like lawyers, doctors, ph.d, and engineers make a lot of money so it eventually pays off. Also it just depends on what you major on. Lastly, there aren't too many options besides university except trade school. Huh if you don't go to a university what are you going to do for the rest of your life. Move around from crappy job to job. it's ok if you don't go to a university there will be less people to compete with. people like you don't have what it takes to go to a university. How many people you know makes more than 50 grand a year without college degree.


You sound like the sort of arrogant elitist who thinks the only jobs of 'value' are the ones you need university to get. I bet you also think "friends don't let friends take arts"

As for who wants to become a plumber? hmmm... maybe someone who wants to bring down twice an entry level engineer's salary with negligable student debt. and doing a job that he knows needs doing rather than being a suit in an office getting paid for 'bright ideas' that some poor schmuck in a tool belt actually has to make work.

Maybe the idea that once you put on a tool belt, no one cares about the 'bad words' that come out of you mouth, so you don't have to deal with that BS.

Maybe instead of a Plumber he wants to be a Welder. I could think of worse jobs than controlling lighting and using it to create things out of metal. (most cubicle jobs for example)

Let me also add. how many people with university degrees do you know who work as greeters at walmart?





Posted 2/1/14
After countless hours of networking, and from what I've learned from the companies I plan to co-op, intern, and/or work for, an application isn't even taken into consideration unless you've a B.Sc. These jobs pay very well right off the bat--depending on experience and skill. That isn't to say that higher education is typically required... My old babysitter (yeah, sounds weird, I know) has a degree in musical performance but is an airline pilot. And I don't know the current salary for an airline pilot, but I think I can assume that it's pretty high.

Right now, I do a lot of coding, and I'm a manager at location undisclosed. With that, I say that I have enough money to live, but I wouldn't say its sufficient for raising a family... Then again, I'm only 18.

Also, anyone who hates on a community college is just ignorant. You learn the same thing, but at a cheaper price tag at the cost its name--meaning, your employer might not see that you were able to go to a "brand-name college," whether it be financially-related or whatever. A lot of my friends went to community college, hell, my brother spent his first year in community college. I'm not currently going to a community college, but I can definitely say that we're all doing perfectly fine.





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Actually, you have about two years before the government wants its tax payer dollars back
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This doesn't apply in asia, particularly in phils. So much graduated people here without work. If you graduated in a good field, you can be applied with much higher chances.
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If you're just going to take general studies then no.

If you want to be a theoretical physicist then yes.
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Who needs college when you can cook meth and make millions of dollars.
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Who needs college when you can cook meth and make millions of dollars.


and die.


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