Post Reply Theories, Ideas, thoughts, etc. for Log Horizon
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A CR buddy of mine has a theory about the People of the Land but it hasn't been posted yet. I'm not trying to steal her thunder but given the latest episode and how it sort of connects with her theory and mine, I felt I had to post something. I've posted (somewhere, hopefully here) that's it's possible for PCs (adventurers) to eventually become "fully integrated" into the world of Log Horizon- that is they lose all memories of their "real world" (home, work, this is a game, etc.) and accept the world of Log Horizon as "real"- they live here, were born here and are "adventurers".

Now, given the latest episode it appears that the older, more experienced (90th LvL) PCs see the PoL (People of the Land) as mere NPCs, they give info, requests, buy and sell stuff but that's about it (like all other games). Shiroe was the first to notice they have their own thoughts & emotions and worked to make sure that all people- PCs & PoL were treated as "human".
With the coming Goblin King threat, the interaction between The Council and the League of the Estal Free Cities and the interactions between the PC "training camp" attendees and the PoL (including Rudy), it's apparent that the younger, less experienced PCs see the PoL as "real people"- they're not used to seeing "NPCs as NPCs". They younger PCs see no "difference" (even though they know that they are adventurers and the PoL are not) between them and the PoL. I think that this "perception" of the younger PCs will make their "full integration" much more easier into the world of Log Horizon than older PCs, even though I think some older PCs would love, if not prefer, to live in the world of Log Horizon.

I think from this last episode that the younger PCs are just one step (and a slippery slopey one at that) to being integrated into the world of Log Horizon.

As far as the PoL go, it is easily apparent that they have their own personalities, agendas, ideas, emotions, etc. In "this" world of Log Horizon, they are fully human, though woefully impotent against the power of a PC.

I'll let my friend give her own theory on the PoL.

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My theory was that PoL were previous PCs who has lost all their memories and a possible side of that could be that you die for good if you get killed @ that point. They may have also forgotten how to use adventuring skills. PoL have children,family and memories so its hard to believe that the company that made the game could do that for every single NPC.
I think decker423 is right about the younger PCs becoming fully integrated into Elder Tale and won't want to leave or if they are revived too often they will lose all memories of home, parents n friends and accept the reality they see in the game as their true life
Also the does the fact that the city was in ruins mean something Shiro mentions this about Akihabara in the 1st Ep I think he does notice it at some point
Also there's no mention of there bodies could it be that the PCs real bodies have actually been put in the game.
It's possible that whatever the game writers coding was the PCs may have been flung into the future given the ruination of the city 350yrs as in accordance with the lake mages images from the Golden
Age Shiro was shown
It's all very vexing but have to keep watchin to find out what's actually going to happen
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Good point 01shula but you've made me think of something: if you play the same game over and over you will notice (in my opinion) that some of the major NPCs NEVER change. If this was the case for Log Horizon, wouldn't the PCs have recognized them (hey, that's the weapon smith Bob...)?

Also, wouldn't they know (if they fully travelled throughout the adventuring world) the names of the rulers of the various NPC kingdoms, cities?

New thought? Could Rudy be a young PC that was killed so often (per your theory 01shula) that he's NOW a person of the land?
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I think given what that Magic scholar said in World Fraction a more plausible theory would be.

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World Fraction was used 3 times before- the creation of the demi humans (goblins, etc.); the creation of the Percursors and then the "entrance' or creation of the "Adventurers" (PCs)
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I was intrigued by something Rudy said when he killed and And brought back to life by Shiroe as an adventurer when he revived in the cathedral in Ep20 around 20:15
Ecstatically: "Adventurer!" Wow. I did it... I'm an adventurer!
Emotionally: Just the same as...

Isuzu stomps in interrupting his reverie, so he doesn't finish. ( Nooo Rudy tell us we wanna know goddammit man!)
[Does this mean Rudy has been in contact with an adventurer prior to the Apocalypse?
He seems to have looked up to this person and perhaps idolised them, it may be possible he knew them fairly well due to the obvious emotion in his voice. This makes me think that the reason he was working so hard to become an adventurer was to become like this person and not just to emulate the Apocalypse adventurers.
Could someone have been stuck in ElderTales in the past?
Was Rudy previously a special quest NPC that you had to help become stronger so he could for examples sake, escape a water temple / rescue his beautiful sister( who's film star looks rivalled his own but with the added benefit of being intelligent) who had been kidnapped by evil Crustys?


If you look at his full name Rundel Haus Code his middle name and surname together are house code ( in-house code maybe I have no idea what Rundel may mean, if anything), could this lend weight to the possibility he was a special quest NPC.
If anyone has any thoughts or theories re this I'd be interested to hear them!



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Reading your theory also makes me question if maybe the person he knew before might've been a POL who had become an adventurer himself/herself? He seemed adamant in thinking that it was fully possible to become an adventurer, though that could've been oblivious wishful thinking.
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I have an observation which brings up a question. In the last episode, after the song & credits, am I correct that it shows a Guardian (a NPC/Monster that stops violence in the adventurer cities?) dropping an axe and flexing his hands? I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Please give me your 2 cents.

Theory- obviously I just re-watched Log Horizon. Given Regan, Mage of the Mistal Lake said or showed 2 things:
1. The Age of Legends (the one in myth) has airplanes and large buildings. Could this be our modern world and could the world fractions be "updates" to the game Elder Tale? OR, could it be our Earth's actual past, meaning that the adventurers are actually from a period in the past a thousand years ago or so? If that's the case then "going home" could mean "going back in time".

2. Regan referred to himself as 1 of the "magical scientists" and used the word "we". Are there other magical scientists spread throughout the land and from an earlier post, could they be the remanants of the Alv race? The Alv seem to have been magical scientists from the get go. Only by breeding with other races were they able to expand their numbers.
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Theories of mine that have been "shot down":
The leader of the Debauchery Tea Party is a monk & is online as "herself" in LH. She's not the bad guy. Will she join Log Horizon?

Regan so far appears to be somewhat independent of "the Alv". Tied to no doubt. There is now proof that the Mage of Mistal Lake 15 generations ago worked with the "remaining" Alvs/half-Alvs but that's about it BUT the fact that Regan's library proves it's worth in lost knowledge, where things are, where some of the Alvs settled, etc. I don't know how this fits in with the teleport gate looking structure in the very back of his library but he may not know how to use it.

Regan wants to hang out with Shiroe for selfish reasons but not Alv-based ones. It seems that he sees Shiroe as the man to bring his theories to life. An academic vs. an engineer combo so to speak. His "hidden" agenda appears to be a more personal one.

Theories proved:
The "Alvs" survived, albeit half-Alvs and they still carry some of their mystical knowledge/lost magic lore with them. In a sense I was right but I had originally thought they'd be hidden in a "lost valley" or something like that. The answer is close to the truth but the descendants of the "survivors" are more intertwined with society as opposed to my theory of them being complete isolationists.

Plant Hwayden is on the offensive against the Council & Log Horizon in particular.

That's it for now.


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A friend & I were talking about Log Horizon the other day. When the long haired man in Royal Guard armor attacked the monk female from West Wind Brigade, she fell down & was bleeding. To the best of my knowledge, this is the 1st time I've seen adventurers spill blood. Taking damage, dying, sure, but no blood or gore.
Is this the power of Clan Kunie or the Royal Guard weapons?
Could this mean that "player adventurer" death, that is REAL death is now available?
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Any ideas on items that PCs can have that have "flavor text" for background? Are the "Teachings" a part of the Novasphere pioneers addition? Refer to the 1st season when Regan is introduced. A lot of flavor text has "come true".
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For the latest episode (Jan. 10th), interesting that the Chinese developed an AI to play a "character" to farm stuff, leading us to think that Elder Scrolls is similar to World of Warcraft, where people can buy powerful items with real money.
The Precursor who is alone because his order was destroyed but he as an NPC still has independence is interesting.
Is eastern China under the same timezone as Japan? They make is sound like only people there got trapped in the world of "Log Horizon" but the Japanese girl who went to Italy but is trapped suggests that one can be trapped but I think all players are trapped because we have an American (the assassin playing the TMNT Leonardo) in the world as well.
Thoughts?
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Also, for the link above, the monsters with the blurred status screens, what are they? The 2 Raid Bosses seemed to know the "reality" of what NPCs & Progenitors are (personality software). Also stated repeatedly but not proven is the time zone change. Haven't figured that one out yet.
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