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Has there ever been a battle in an anime where the outcome was just total BS? I'm not talking about fights where you simply "didn't like the outcome". But fights where the author had to pull some major BS to achieve the loss/victory of their choice. Let's talk about those.

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windsagio wrote:

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I am willing to slide on Index, mainly because if you think about it logically, Toma's power should have zero effect on anyone who flings anything at him. That would make his power useless though, which wouldn't be very entertaining. Basically his power is pretty much limited to being unable to be directly affected by anything supernatural and dispelling anything supernatural. That is a really weak power without bending the plot a little.

For me there would be 2 fights that I find a bit rediculous :

1. Hunter x Hunter : It is a fight that is coming up. If you read the manga you know what I am talking about so I won't spoil it. Honestly, as awesome as the fight is and as much as I love it, the way it's resolved kind of comes out of no where. It is complete deus ex machina. I forgive it though because it is still an awesome fight.

2. Inuyasha : This is probably the fight that pisses me off the most in any anime I have seen. Bankoku vs Inuyasha, this fight had a very poorly written resolution and Inuyasha essentially won this fight out of pure luck.
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Hmmm, this is a hard one. The essential question would be "how much bull did X fight scene contain, and how much of a spit take did you do at the stupid"

My response would probably have to be the final fights in SAO. They built a massive world in that Anime/LN, and every final battle broke enough rules to ruin your immersion with the world. The entirety of the show hinged on that "perma-death" setting. So much that breaking that one core rule of the series is paramount to suicide.

And they do it not once, but twice!


Additionally. Every battle in the Fate-route of Fate/stay Night was..absurd. You're telling me Saber is so Over Powered, not only does EVERYBODY want her as her servant, but even at a fraction of her true power, she's able to beat the shit out of all other legendary heroes? Spoiler
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In regards to Sword Art Online
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I personally did not mind that fight. I thought it made some sense. The first one though was stupid, how is it that everyone else shatters instantly upon death, but he gets to fade away extremely slowly. That was brain numbingly idiotic.
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I had recently played Devil May Cry so seeing Kirito pull himself through his sword reminded me of Dante pulling through Alastor.
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Anything from Medaka Box (mostly the manga but I'm willing to throw the anime as well though the second season isn't as bad as what a third season would possibly be like).

NisiOisiN at his finest at pulling as much random abilities for overpowered characters as you can imagine.
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well, where SAO is concerned, it technically IS a deus ex machina which makes sense because kayaba akihiko WAS the god of that world. he deemed that they should live, so they lived. he respected their actions during their time in the game and the final battle that he felt they deserved another chance at life, or something. yea it's a little bullshit, but that's what he did. can't very well have a series with the protagonist dead, either, can you?

the fight against sugou in ALO, kirito literally meets the kayaba akihiko's "ghost in the machine". before the police had a chance to arrest him, he scanned his brain using his nervgear and uploaded it to the net. this scanned "ghost" then made contact with kirito, and gave him the administrative rights to the cardinal system. total BS by fairness sake, but what're you gonna do. the hero always wins.

now let's talk about those Fate gripes... it's not really that the saber class is OP, it's just the most balanced, and therefore the most desired. also, swords are a major weapon of many known heroes, so the saber class can have many powerful servants, since the power of a servant's noble phantasm is also powered by how well known that hero's legend is. king arthur as saber also with the excalibur noble phantasm, which was one of the few anti-army noble phantasms in either series with a very high rank would make her a very powerful desired servant. her one-shotting heracles also wasn't her doing, it was shirou's tracing of the holy sword caliburn that made it possible.
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My complain is primarily about the first fight, the second one was just fine in it's own way.
Protagonists can die, it happens, but what makes SAO unique is how important that very thought it. You don't always assume Kirito is going to make it through the challenges, because Perma-death is a thing. Ever played some Hardcore Diablo or Hardcore Minecraft? That one second, that one slip up, gone. It's rage inducing hilarity at times, but it's a powerful feeling, even if it's only a game.
Combine that with the whole "Die in the game, die for realz" is fine and all, but the weight lies in the threat alone. You never have to actually kill your character to get that tension, as it's always there. Every single boss fight prior, that feeling was their. It was a huge sword hung above everyones head, just threatening to fall and chop our heads off.

The act if invoking that sword, then saying "naah, it's not for realz" is a huge insult to your characters and audience. That is the moment SAO went from the hottest shit to a contemptible train wreck. They actually broke the magic the show was previously using so well. Thats what makes the scene so unbelievable to me. Not what happens, but how what happened figuratively broke all previously established rules in it's own universe. Not a single fight after that one carried the same weight, even in the new game. It's like realizing you can Save Scum, ergo ruining the impact of any choice or impact you didn't like.

nerder wrote:

I had recently played Devil May Cry so seeing Kirito pull himself through his sword reminded me of Dante pulling through Alastor.


The fun part of Devil May Cry involved how easily and often Dante could do that. It was introduced in the opening cutscene of Devil May Cry that Dante could do that, providing a solid suspension of disbelief for the rest of the game. When Dante did that, you said "Sweeeet" instead of "Whaaaaat?"

Onto Fate...come on! At least capitalize Hercules! To be honest, he is my absolute favorite mythological legend. The only one who comes close would be Odysseus.
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ah, I get your beef with SAO now.. I do kinda agree that it lost it's impact and sense of urgency after that.. but I still enjoyed the characters and story even if most of it was left in the novels.

saber is... well, saber is OP because king arthur was OP. other sabers wouldn't be as all powerful as she was, they would be a lot more balanced. plus I really just think that was the Fate route's focus on saber that made her seem more OP. in UBW, you get to see how truly powerful archer and lancer were since archer did dick all in the Fate route and lancer was mostly just used for recon and then disposed of. caster was weak in pretty much every route as was assassin given his being a fake servant. rider was weak because she wasn't being used properly.



but yea.. poor berserker was boned. he didn't really get any time to shine outside of before being killed by shirou and saber in the fate route.

ah, you're right. excalibur was an anti-fortress noble phantasm.. my bad. I'm not really sure why excalibur becomes a golden lazer..
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I like SAO in the end, it was worth the watch to me. As absurdly horrible I find incest plots, I did like the character focus of the second season,

I like Fate/SN's Rider. She's sexy, badass, and I got her Figma half off at a Con last year. As absurdly week as she is in that original Fate route, I'm really looking forward to a more Heavens Feel oriented Ufotable adaptation. Besides, everybody knows Saber's character has been played out, all the money is on Saber Alter now, ain't nobody ever gonna be tired of Saber Alter. Did you see Prisma/Illya? Saber Alters entire cameo exemplified Saber's OP'ness, but in the most awesome of ways possible.

Sword that shoots lasers, water walking, spell invincibility, heals from any wound, blond hair, looks good in a suit or dress. Saber has everything.

No seriously, Saber is actually spell-immune. She's able to defy command spells if she wants to.....which defeats the entire purpose of the command spells. Like seriously can we get some kinda return deposit on those things?
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1. Hunter x Hunter : It is a fight that is coming up. If you read the manga you know what I am talking about so I won't spoil it. Honestly, as awesome as the fight is and as much as I love it, the way it's resolved kind of comes out of no where. It is complete deus ex machina. I forgive it though because it is still an awesome fight.


To be fair, If we're thinking of the same thing. Due to the way Nen works that did make sense.

Almost every important fight in Fairy Tail
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My response would probably have to be the final fights in SAO. They built a massive world in that Anime/LN, and every final battle broke enough rules to ruin your immersion with the world. The entirety of the show hinged on that "perma-death" setting. So much that breaking that one core rule of the series is paramount to suicide.

And they do it not once, but twice!



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From the source material, that couldn't happen. From what I'm lead to believe, the first two episodes, and a handful of random ones including the final set, made up the original Sword Art Online story/book/onlinething

Additional side-stories made later included Kirito joining guild X, having guild X and Girl Y die, grieving for a month, and obtaining a rare and ironic item.

They also involved him stopping a spring of in town murders, helping a girl save her dragon companion, forging an awesome sword, and...other stuff. I only know those for sure.

I would rather they adapted SAO instead of directly translating the source material... but it's not too big a deal.

Now, if the writer would stop making stories about Kirito, and perhaps focus all his effort on new characters...or Accel World, I would be thrilled.

Which, back to the thread topic.

Accel World's final episode fight with Dusk Taker. You expect me to believe all that bull-crap? The whole "I was only pretending to be evil to work with the bad guy for a while to help you" bit? It was extraordinarily out of character for half the group, all for a plan that made no sense.
Actual fight scenes be dammned! The outcome of illogical.
Additionally, the drama between the characters in this arc was awesome. Like come on, at least the bullshit in Accel World makes sense, the game actually has a system in which your bullshit actually changes things in the world.
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