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If you took out fanservice from Highschool of the Dead, I can guarantee you it would not even retain a fraction of its popularity. 80% of that show was fanservice.


Actually I really like HotD and wish they did take out a chunk the fanservice. I love the way it compares and contrasts against the standard American B-grade zombie movie. Which, come to think of it, are also laden with fanservice.



What was the story of HotD anyway? All I remember is blood, nerd wish fulfillment, panties, and boobs jiggling. The rest is a bit fuzzy.


That's basically it. HotD is the Japanese take on the standard American B-grade zombie movie. And if you compare the way the anime handles the finer details of the genre you see deep cultural differences shown. For example, in most American zombie movies you know just about everyone is going to die / be sacrificed and you can even tell who in the first five minutes. In HotD the members of the main group fight to protect the group. No one gets left behind / is sacrificed and no single member is more skilled or "worthy" than any other. The individual survives because the group survives. A very Japanese ideal.

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I think it depends on the given show. For some shows, it's okay for example Kill la Kill uses it for comedy and had some for both sexs. On the other hand shows like High School of the Dead...just no.


If you took out fanservice from Highschool of the Dead, I can guarantee you it would not even retain a fraction of its popularity. 80% of that show was fanservice.


Nope. Gore and zombie fans like myself would flock to it. And it'd be beautiful zombie carnage at almost every turn.
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I'm usually fine with all sorts of fanservice, but I firmly believe that there can be too much.
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DO NOT GIVE ME THIS, THIS IS CRAP






GIVE ME THIS , THIS IS GOOD
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^ The loli is strong with this one...

Fan service in moderation is alright, but too much can be a problem depending on the anime. For example, an ecchi harem anime, they're primarily just fan service, which is fine because that's what you expect when you go to watch it.

Fairy Tail is an example of an anime where it's there way too much. In earlier episodes, it was barely even present, then the later you go on in the series the more prevalent it becomes. It's like they tried to keep the anime going based on its fan service and not it's plot line.. this can even been seen in the manga of this series.
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Greylurker wrote:

Fanservice is seasoning
It makes the dish better when used with care but very few people want to eat a cup of salt on it's own.
^^^^
Bears repeating.

To further extend this, you expect some foods to be salty, while with other foods it would be a rude surprise that spoils the dish.

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Hate it. Takes away from the actual plot for me. It can't be helped when its an ecchi or harem, but even those do it poorly. It doesn't turn me on because its always the same misunderstandings and accidents (boob grabs, walking in on someone naked, accidental kiss, etc.) Bakemonogatari did it pretty well with that strangely arousing toothbrush scene, and some other scenes from shows I can't remember. Its like the creators don't have any confidence that what they produce will do good without it, and why would they? Its not so much that they're wrong for doing it, because they're trying to make a profit and as it has been proved, sex sells. I have a faint hope people will get it into their heads, "I've seen this a million times, I'm over it now," but that doesn't seem to be happening. And its only gonna get worse and worse with shows like Recently My Sister Has Been Acting Strange come out. Porn? Ok. Hentai? Sure. Fanservice? Depends. Usually its done really poorly, so I may as well write it off as "bad, but with occasional exceptions." But really by this point we've been beating the grass where once a dead horse lay because its always been either "you like it, you hate it, you don't care."
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I really liked how they did it with the My Mental Choices. A show that's for like 95% devoted to ecchi scenes in a very funny way.
And the most funny thing was about it, he was forced to do such things (mostly). Almost no accidents, no own minded pervertness and when he got the chance to get perverted with Chocolat, he actually refused and was glad she got back to normal.

1 of my favorite anime's.

And I agree on HoTD, it was too much focused on the fanservice (I really was like WTF with the bullet between the boobs scene)
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meowth900 wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

if I watch something like a harem and/or ecchi show then I know what I'm getting myself into so I don't mind if... However if I watch something that isn't a ecchi and/or harem then I'll most likely get pissed and annoyed by the fanservice since it puts up a big wall for the story meaning that the story can't progress any further!


^ This.

It also turned me off from Witch Barriers with that gross scene from the frog dude


well to be honest that was one scene and for Arms that was pretty tame. If you judge a whole anime on one scene then your going to be a very disappointed anime fan

Posted 2/4/14 , edited 2/4/14
This pretty much says it all for me in terms of fanservice:


it's somewhat out of context considering it's originally a reply about Miyazaki and otaku, but it's related enough.
I can't stand sexual-based fanservice and it generally always completely ruins an anime for me, because it's not why I watch anime - I watch anime for a good plot and well developed characters, great character design and world building, and cool and unique combat and powers (if it's within that genre).
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GIVE ME THIS , THIS IS GOOD


This.
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Hate it. Takes away from the actual plot for me. It can't be helped when its an ecchi or harem, but even those do it poorly. It doesn't turn me on because its always the same misunderstandings and accidents (boob grabs, walking in on someone naked, accidental kiss, etc.) Bakemonogatari did it pretty well with that strangely arousing toothbrush scene, and some other scenes from shows I can't remember. Its like the creators don't have any confidence that what they produce will do good without it, and why would they? Its not so much that they're wrong for doing it, because they're trying to make a profit and as it has been proved, sex sells. I have a faint hope people will get it into their heads, "I've seen this a million times, I'm over it now," but that doesn't seem to be happening. And its only gonna get worse and worse with shows like Recently My Sister Has Been Acting Strange come out. Porn? Ok. Hentai? Sure. Fanservice? Depends. Usually its done really poorly, so I may as well write it off as "bad, but with occasional exceptions." But really by this point we've been beating the grass where once a dead horse lay because its always been either "you like it, you hate it, you don't care."


Well, I don't think all fanservice is bad. If it's excessive, gets excessive attention, or out of context it can be.

Take Kill la Kill for instance. The show is, quite obviously, loaded with fanservice. Yet, there isn't much attention drawn to it except in a few instances - Episode 3, when Mako draws attention to Ryuko's boobs trying to get her to embrace her body, and Episode 4 when Ryuko's panties keep getting exposed - and the story and action are good enough to stand on their own without the fanservice. It doesn't add anything to the show, but for the most part it doesn't take anything away either.

I can totally agree with the sex sells issue (otherwise Super Sonico: The Animation wouldn't exist), and am just as annoyed at the homogenization of anime into ecchi / romcom / slice of life garbage - it's probably why I've not picked up anything this season (except perhaps Nobunagun, which I need to catch up on). Yet it sells both advertisements and character goods, so until that status quo is changed it's here to stay.
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I truly believe that the bulk of American anime fans consistently fail to realize that the makers of anime do not design their sexually oriented materials for Americans, but for JAPANESE AUDIENCES because they're in Japan (!!!!)
What passes for hot & sexy in Japan can be the same for a lot of things- obviously or else anime wouldn't be so appealing to American youth in the first place. But certain other things- which I don't need to describe because it's the type of stuff that American anime fans always complain about- those things appeal to a fetishistic taste that is unfamiliar to us, and can be repulsive. That's why it depends. The "fan service" that is called tasteful is usually the type that appeals to us so therefore it doesn't interfere with the plot in (y)our eyes. Whereas some things are so out there that they seem jarring and out of place. I learned this and it helped me be a bit more understanding of WHY certain things are so prevalent- but can't say I necessarily like it in any case. Too much fan service of any kind cheapens a concept.
Personally, I prefer if shows about scanty clad females be less serious... if you're going to dress and act like a slut, don't lecture me about military service and protecting society- because it doesn't fit. This means that serious shows where people are more professional looking- I tend to expect to maintain their professionalism and do not welcome unwanted sexual jokes. I figure this standard crosses most cultural boundaries so I don't get worked up about a lot of stuff that people do, if it's in a show about- say- female wrestling.


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Kill la Kill is one of the few instances where I couldn't care less about the designs for some of the clothing or lack thereof. The show is so over-the-top that I expected it. When its used in a genre where it is expected, I can't say much about the fanservice. Recently My Sister Has Been Acting Strange, as pornographic that is, I couldn't have expected much else. Maybe not quite as graphic but still. I don't appreciate the genre, but others do. I don't think fanservice should be wiped out of anime. It can be good, and it doesn't have to subtract. I'm just irked that recently there has been an over-saturation of ecchi and romcom and slice of life. Some are good, and we can't expect goliaths like Cowboy Bebop, or Attack on Titan or all the other great anime, but I just wish creators would put a bit more effort in.

I guess I just wish more creators would try to create something a bit more original than most of the generic stuff they pump out now. Maybe they do and they end up going under the radar because people don't care? I'm convinced they only do it to make a profit because this stuff is so successful. Its what keeps people who don't watch anime or read manga away saying "that's fucked up." I didn't watch anime because I used to think like that until I saw FMA. And most of my preconceptions were. Most of this stuff is fucked up and the fact people are getting used to it and liking it shouldn't be a good thing. Its hard for me to be able to recommend shows that would otherwise be good watches for some of my friends if not for some weird suggestive scene now and again. I'm used to it, they aren't. Its not good that I'm used to it. And with all the weird people proudly exclaiming themselves being into lolis' and waifus, it's no surprise others want to stay as far away the hell from us.
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KingKaio wrote:

I truly believe that the bulk of American anime fans consistently fail to realize that the makers of anime do not design their sexually oriented materials for Americans, but for JAPANESE AUDIENCES because they're in Japan (!!!!)
What passes for hot & sexy in Japan can be the same for a lot of things- obviously or else anime wouldn't be so appealing to American youth in the first place. But certain other things- which I don't need to describe because it's the type of stuff that American anime fans always complain about- those things appeal to a fetishistic taste that is unfamiliar to us, and can be repulsive. That's why it depends. The "fan service" that is called tasteful is usually the type that appeals to us so therefore it doesn't interfere with the plot in (y)our eyes. Whereas some things are so out there that they seem jarring and out of place. I learned this and it helped me be a bit more understanding of WHY certain things are so prevalent- but can't say I necessarily like it in any case. Too much fan service of any kind cheapens a concept.
Personally, I prefer if shows about scanty clad females be less serious... if you're going to dress and act like a slut, don't lecture me about military service and protecting society- because it doesn't fit. This means that serious shows where people are more professional looking- I tend to expect to maintain their professionalism and do not welcome unwanted sexual jokes. I figure this standard crosses most cultural boundaries so I don't get worked up about a lot of stuff that people do, if it's in a show about- say- female wrestling.




I don't think you really get it. First of all just to get this out of the way. Lots of other people other than Americans would find this stuff weird. Secondly, this stuff isn't considered normal for Japan either. Otakus make up 1% of the population. And they aren't looked at very fondly. Most people EVERYWHERE don't consider this stuff normal, even the people of Japan. There have been laws passed against anime and manga because of suggestive themes such as lolis, incest, rape, etc. Even if it was okay there, it isn't right just to say "It's normal there, so its okay here too," because not many people would consider that a valid argument for watching a substitute for porn.
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