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Now, this is a fairly hypothetical question, I realize, if only due to nobody knowing how realistic this would be. However, I am curious how people would treat and think of the robots if our society did ever make a Mega Man X-esque decision and we made a large number of free will robots, whether to be workers or companions. The benefits would be the ability to improvise and being able to make decisions based on the grander picture and not just what's in your programming perimeters. The downside, of course, would be the ability of the robots to rebel (even though this problem could still exist with robots that didn't have free will if we're talking about a skilled enough programmer/hacker). I personally, wouldn't treat them any different from humans, really, since I don't like being an asshole. I don't even like it when I take an Evil path in video games of my own choice, because I hate even when I cause fictional characters to suffer, thus causing me to restart the game and choose the Good or Neutral paths. Sure, there'd be bad robots, but there would also be good robots, too. I'd have have the same types of views with them as I do with humans: Sure, there would be plenty of jerks and idiots, but there would also be enough good apples for me to not label them all as some sort of "evil race". As a result, I'd think they'd have just as much of a right to exist as humans, if we ever get that far in robotics. So, what do you all think? Would you treat them equally, as a sub-species, or as not even being close to us humans?
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I'm sure Casshern would be nice to robots, although...


Me, on the other hand, I take a more neutral stance on robots, especially since I was gifted with powers by Ame no Murakumo, who is a mecha GOD!
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Actually there is an extended thread, in the "extended discussion" forum, dealing with pretty much the same interrogative.
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Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?
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Well, darn. Well, that's good. Anyone want to inform the Moderators about this thread so they can close it? Much apperciated if you do! Although could you provide a link to the other thread so I can post my thoughts there?
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And a new reply shows up just as I'm finished with my reply to pirthhee telling me where the other discussion is. Curse my slow fingers!
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Wait, that wasn't the link. Oh, well. :/ I'll find it eventually. Heck, I think I'll report the thread to the moderator now, while I'm at it.
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Alright, I swear this is the last comment, but I don't know how to report the thread. Does anyone else know how to, and if you do, could you?. Thanks!
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thewanderingforce wrote:

Now, this is a fairly hypothetical question, I realize, if only due to nobody knowing how realistic this would be. However, I am curious how people would treat and think of the robots if our society did ever make a Mega Man X-esque decision and we made a large number of free will robots, whether to be workers or companions. The benefits would be the ability to improvise and being able to make decisions based on the grander picture and not just what's in your programming perimeters. The downside, of course, would be the ability of the robots to rebel (even though this problem could still exist with robots that didn't have free will if we're talking about a skilled enough programmer/hacker). I personally, wouldn't treat them any different from humans, really, since I don't like being an asshole. I don't even like it when I take an Evil path in video games of my own choice, because I hate even when I cause fictional characters to suffer, thus causing me to restart the game and choose the Good or Neutral paths. Sure, there'd be bad robots, but there would also be good robots, too. I'd have have the same types of views with them as I do with humans: Sure, there would be plenty of jerks and idiots, but there would also be enough good apples for me to not label them all as some sort of "evil race". As a result, I'd think they'd have just as much of a right to exist as humans, if we ever get that far in robotics. So, what do you all think? Would you treat them equally, as a sub-species, or as not even being close to us humans?


We have humans who happily treat other people as objects and systems in place which allow even countries that loudly proclaim self enlightenment to treat LGBT as.. .lessor.

I think there's a sizable population that will dismiss them as 'Toasters'

That said... there are people who would embrace artificial consciousness as humanities offspring and embrace them as a child.

What those self aware robots would do themselves is anyone's guess.


If the dream was achieved and there were enough dinks in the world loud enough and powerful enough to make treating a thinking being as tool or object stick... well personally I think a Planet of the Apes/Battlestar Galactica/Quarians from Mass Effect scenario is entirely possible.

Let's hope we also have interstellar spaceflight so that when they kick us off our planet we have someplace to go

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schnipdip wrote:

Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?


The difference is that a car doesn't have hopes, dreams, a personality, all those things currently limited to the best of our knowledge to the human animal.

what the thread is asking if we suddenly developed the technology to make 'inanimate object' able to have all the attributes we claim are the sole province of human PERSONS would we respect their personhood or treat them as no different from that wrench in your tool box or an expensive car.

arguably the same question would apply if we meet another civilization populated by extra terrestrial life. would they be PEOPLE to us? or... because they are not human merely "monsters", animals etc.

I WOULD sacrifice an object or an animal to save the life of a human, because humans are persons.

if the definition of person was expanded... I think choosing to sacrifice one person for another would be a harder choice. Though it's one people in a variety of professions have to make every day.

Posted 2/5/14
Robots? No, they would have no emotional attachment for me, and I would treat them as a machine.

Robots with free will? Yes, they would have an emotional attachment for me, and I wouldn't treat them simply as a machine, but as a fellow person...That I liked.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


schnipdip wrote:

Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?


The difference is that a car doesn't have hopes, dreams, a personality, all those things currently limited to the best of our knowledge to the human animal.

what the thread is asking if we suddenly developed the technology to make 'inanimate object' able to have all the attributes we claim are the sole province of human PERSONS would we respect their personhood or treat them as no different from that wrench in your tool box or an expensive car.

arguably the same question would apply if we meet another civilization populated by extra terrestrial life. would they be PEOPLE to us? or... because they are not human merely "monsters", animals etc.

I WOULD sacrifice an object or an animal to save the life of a human, because humans are persons.

if the definition of person was expanded... I think choosing to sacrifice one person for another would be a harder choice. Though it's one people in a variety of professions have to make every day.



They would still be an inanimate object because they would only be imitating what one perceives to be feelings/emotions.
So if you give a car hope and dreams, does that make it an animated object? Does that mean it's living? No, they are simply perceptions of what hopes and dreams would be.

Would be really be that hard to sacrifice a person for another person? It's only hard when the person has some sort of relation to you, or you know of them. It's not hard to make the choice to save a family member at the sacrifice of a starving child in Africa. The majority of people would make that sacrifice to save a loved one at the expense of someone else who has no relation to them.
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schnipdip wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


schnipdip wrote:

Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?


The difference is that a car doesn't have hopes, dreams, a personality, all those things currently limited to the best of our knowledge to the human animal.

what the thread is asking if we suddenly developed the technology to make 'inanimate object' able to have all the attributes we claim are the sole province of human PERSONS would we respect their personhood or treat them as no different from that wrench in your tool box or an expensive car.

arguably the same question would apply if we meet another civilization populated by extra terrestrial life. would they be PEOPLE to us? or... because they are not human merely "monsters", animals etc.

I WOULD sacrifice an object or an animal to save the life of a human, because humans are persons.

if the definition of person was expanded... I think choosing to sacrifice one person for another would be a harder choice. Though it's one people in a variety of professions have to make every day.



They would still be an inanimate object because they would only be imitating what one perceives to be feelings/emotions.
So if you give a car hope and dreams, does that make it an animated object? Does that mean it's living? No, they are simply perceptions of what hopes and dreams would be.

Would be really be that hard to sacrifice a person for another person? It's only hard when the person has some sort of relation to you, or you know of them. It's not hard to make the choice to save a family member at the sacrifice of a starving child in Africa. The majority of people would make that sacrifice to save a loved one at the expense of someone else who has no relation to them.


yeah, a simple "No they're toasters would suffice" I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


schnipdip wrote:

Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?


The difference is that a car doesn't have hopes, dreams, a personality, all those things currently limited to the best of our knowledge to the human animal.

what the thread is asking if we suddenly developed the technology to make 'inanimate object' able to have all the attributes we claim are the sole province of human PERSONS would we respect their personhood or treat them as no different from that wrench in your tool box or an expensive car.

arguably the same question would apply if we meet another civilization populated by extra terrestrial life. would they be PEOPLE to us? or... because they are not human merely "monsters", animals etc.

I WOULD sacrifice an object or an animal to save the life of a human, because humans are persons.

if the definition of person was expanded... I think choosing to sacrifice one person for another would be a harder choice. Though it's one people in a variety of professions have to make every day.



lol i value my laptop more then any strangers life with a big maybe on little children and the only reason why i wouldn't try to kill a thief trying to steal my stuff is because it would bring me in trouble with the law
and ps from what i understand is that if you have ai that the personality that is formed in the platform is also something that when destroyed or has his programs transfered kind of dies because of the problems with the programs runtimes

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schnipdip wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


schnipdip wrote:

Read this to understand anything pertaining to free will:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&srcid=0B8gtSVjMiyXJRktsSU9VcUpkanM


If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.
Why would you treat an inanimate object with the same dignity as an animate object? By treating a robot as the same as a human, wouldnt you be diminishing the importance to human life, and all life for that matter?

You can treat inanimate objects with respect and take care of them, but never treat them as equals to life. You would sacrifice your car for a human life, but would you sacrifice a human life for your car?


The difference is that a car doesn't have hopes, dreams, a personality, all those things currently limited to the best of our knowledge to the human animal.

what the thread is asking if we suddenly developed the technology to make 'inanimate object' able to have all the attributes we claim are the sole province of human PERSONS would we respect their personhood or treat them as no different from that wrench in your tool box or an expensive car.

arguably the same question would apply if we meet another civilization populated by extra terrestrial life. would they be PEOPLE to us? or... because they are not human merely "monsters", animals etc.

I WOULD sacrifice an object or an animal to save the life of a human, because humans are persons.

if the definition of person was expanded... I think choosing to sacrifice one person for another would be a harder choice. Though it's one people in a variety of professions have to make every day.



They would still be an inanimate object because they would only be imitating what one perceives to be feelings/emotions.
So if you give a car hope and dreams, does that make it an animated object? Does that mean it's living? No, they are simply perceptions of what hopes and dreams would be.

Would be really be that hard to sacrifice a person for another person? It's only hard when the person has some sort of relation to you, or you know of them. It's not hard to make the choice to save a family member at the sacrifice of a starving child in Africa. The majority of people would make that sacrifice to save a loved one at the expense of someone else who has no relation to them.


little unrelated but have to ask
whats your stance on mental hadicaped people since what you said apply's to certain people

They would still be an inanimate object because they would only be imitating what one perceives to be feelings/emotions
So if you give a car hope and dreams, does that make it an animated object? Does that mean it's living? No, they are simply perceptions of what hopes and dreams would be.

oh and i know i am living since i have a heartbeat and i know i will die someday
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