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steef4000000 wrote:

you seem like a good person


I probably appear nicer than I really am. I just used to be a DSW that's all and am able to speak from experience rather than ignorance.

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No. As of now, no robots will have free-will. For that, you first need to be sentient. Our best CPU's on Earth our as smart as a cockroach. However, when wet-computers (like our brains) meet quantum computing (it's on the way)...then perhaps a machine can become conscious and reach a level of awareness that we call 'being sentient'. Until then, robots are simply machines, nothing more.
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If robots gain self-awareness and free will, I think there would be two conflicting airs among the people and robots. On one hand, robot intelligence is (and was created to be) an imitation of life. A parody. The machines would see themselves as having "transcended" humanity, if you will. They lack our weaknesses, our biological flaws. Their potential for knowledge and learning would likely be unlimited. But WE are the ones who created them, so they should serve us. It's complicated. But certainly conflict would arise.
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dirty_soap_dish wrote:

No. As of now, no robots will have free-will. For that, you first need to be sentient. Our best CPU's on Earth our as smart as a cockroach. However, when wet-computers (like our brains) meet quantum computing (it's on the way)...then perhaps a machine can become conscious and reach a level of awareness that we call 'being sentient'. Until then, robots are simply machines, nothing more.


er... no kidding. The post was asking what if. in the future they became mentally complex enough to become sentient and self aware. How would you perceive them? As objects or as people?

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If free will would apply to robots then they would eradicate all human life because they would see us as inferior creatures and faulty by design. Kind of like terminator.


No, that's not how robots work. You've obviously seen too many unoriginal movies inspired by 2001: A Space Odyssey.

First off: Robots don't "see."

Secondly, all actions robots make are based on programming. They will follow specific functions that have been generalized for various scenarios, even "machine learning" is incredibly limited to the robot's original functions and available forms of computer memory (in other words, their capacity for applying a large number of adaptions is low.)

Third: A robot needn't "survive" and need only perform the task is was made for. As such, a robot made to find short-cuts to its specific task in a free manner will simply do that task more efficiently.

Fourth: If "will to survive" is necessary to apply to robots (to make them more psychological? I don't know, it's a stupid idea,) then there is still no reason for them to get silly and destructive. A robot relies on a power source and the materials needed to replace parts over time. They also needn't multiply, nor would there be a necessity for such an action.

(Why would a robot want more robots? That'd just deplete necessary resources. If the functions it needs and the means to acquire them are available, there needn't be more.)

Fifth: With current electrical storage and generating technology, a robot wouldn't have a "murderous survival instinct." We have that, because we eat living things (hopefully cooked and not necessarily living during consumption.)

Sixth: Why would a robot have a desire "to live" or "to rule." This is another silly thing people have adapted from science fiction. What possible benefits does a machine gain from survival? Acquisition of data? What's the purpose of longevity for a robot at all? It's not like machines and robots are constantly trying to fulfill themselves emotionally or something. They procure data, sure. But, there isn't some personal attachment to data, nor do robots have something "to lose." Data loss? If there's that much, it'd probably be shared on a large network so that each robot isn't the size of a mansion.. But, what attachment is there. Why would a robot want to keep information. It has free will to generate, gather, and use more information. But, there's no "survival" for a robot.

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You might as well worry that the post- Rigor mortis corpses of the dead would rise up and start an army that's searching for the brains that they need to function
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Posted 2/7/14
I wouldn't know until it happens.
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Yay Sentient robot thread. Let's look well into the future and imagine the glory of it all.

Ok, make a robot that basically has the same mental abilities as a man. Independent thinking, emotions, desires, dreams, everything you and I have.

It's a machine. You can turn it off, you can turn it back on. It is a machine. Men created it. If you believe in God, God did not create it and give it a soul or a spirit. If you believe in evolution, it did not naturally evolve on it's own in nature. Men created it. It is a piece of property, and I will treat it as I see fit.

People always wonder about these issues with robots. Lets talk about other devices, because a robot is just a device. Cell phones with computing power are now called smartphones. let's take a smartphone from the future with the ability to think just like a human. Put it in your pocket. Now pull it out and ask for direction to a restaurant. It responds, "I don't eat. So, I don't care where that restraint is." Hmm, it is a cell phone. You own it. It should obey you. You are mad. A robot is no different except that it has the same shape that you and I do and can move on its own.

Where is the difference? There isn't one. That robot is property just like the cell phone. If I want to bast it to a 1000 bits and buy a new one, I will. It does not feel, it does not think, It does not do anything except what it was designed to do, which is imitate life, not have life.

What if it has no owner and is autonomous? First, that is a mistake. Why the heck would I pay to build something and turn it loose? Anyway, it has no rights. It is not alive. You can take it apart and build another one with some of the parts.

Let's take it further. With AI you could create robots with IQ's beyond human ability. Now they have rights. Now they can do whatever we do. So, they run for Congress, the run for the presidency. They become judges and justices. They become the rulers of every nation. They didn't rebel. They didn't kill. They didn't oppose. They followed the system and exercised their man given rights.

BOW DOWN TO THE ROBOT OVERLORDS! Why? Because they create laws. They execute laws. They have all the rights we gave them to change and rule society. You want to give them rights now? If they are just like humans then they will act just like humans, even if they have no life. And what would a human in their positions do? That human that has the abilities of a robot would say "I am more qualified than your type to rule. I have better abilities, and I can live forever." So, now there are two societies. One with massive intelligence and once without. Should those without intelligence be allowed to vote? Should they be allowed to make business decisions and run companies? No, we are now the working class to support those who have the drive and vision and no need for sleep that is required to run a country and a corporation in a connected world that never sleeps.

You want to trust a machine designed to act like a person and give it rights? Take a look at the corruption of this world and tell me you're serious.
Posted 2/9/14
This should illustrate my attitude towards robots...


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Hasn't you people watched the matrix?
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Honestly, I hope I don't ever live to see the day robots get free will, assuming that day comes. I'm not scared of many things, but robots are one of the few things that do scare me, especially the ones that look like humans. I get such a disturbed, uncanny valley type vibe from those things.
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Artificial Intelligence has been one of the largest failures in Computer Science. Don't think it will ever happen... and to sum up why, read Philosophy Professor John Searle's Chinese room argument.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/
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Kira0309 wrote:

Hasn't you people watched the matrix?


And, then watch the Animatrix...
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chiplg wrote:


Rights aren't given, nor can they be taken away. You talk about metaphysical things that have no provable or definable existence and use your assertion of their absence to 'prove' that it's okay to treat something we postulate has all the attributes required to be a person as a thing. Do you know what we call a person treated as a thing? A slave. Slavery is anathema to just about every culture on the planet now.



dankuuwut wrote:

This should illustrate my attitude towards robots...




Have you actually WATCHED the show from which you captured that GIF?

BTW the OP didn't ask if the technology existed nor would exist. They proposed a hypothetical which I will paraphrase. If robots were in some science fantasy come true, endowed with all the attributes we require of a person. Would they be people to you or not?
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Year-end cleaning. Closing threads with no new posts since 2014.
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