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Lolicon PSA - An in-depth analysis
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owa5KcQ9Mxc

Below is a taste of what this video has to offer since it is likely some people who view this thread will not view the video. My personalized arguments can be found in the comments.

Lolicon has been popularized into mainstream anime more and more with recent years in series such as the Bakemonogatari franchise. What is lolicon and what is the appeal? Where do I fall on this debate? Shame on you if you don't know if you don't pick up the on the username reference. Lolicon at the very least is a form of fanservice that involves fictional prepubescent children. Please don't confuse this with lolis - the mere presence of a child within an anime. And I completely agree the lolicon sub-genre is not a mystery that serve not to only alienate more mainstream fans new to the medium, but also continue to paint this genre in a positive light. But, really what is a lolicon fan even if they are not into filthy 3d children? They are not real they say and is a common argument among the lolicon fandom that they argue they are not pedophiles. However, it is the idea is that is most volatile not the lack of the action against real victims, but to just to put the sexualization of fictional anime children in a positive light - this is one fantasy that is not healthy. And hey if you favor different body types, that's more than fine and most harem fanservice shows have you covered with the very varied body types. Want some big fat anime titties - go for a large - we got that, not so extreme and heavy try a medium or in a mood for something petite a small is for you but, dear god, don't go after the kid's meals.
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Lol what the hell. This whole thread.
Thanks Chris Hansen. Still doing your job I see.
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If you don't like it don't watch it. No one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to watch anything Moe.
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The whole thing is stupid imo cause x =/= y. Its like I'm a fan of Black Lagoon, thus I must want to become a smuggler except I don't, I enjoy the characters and story. From a story telling point of view, its really annoying to have ppl try to put limits on what ppl write and to put up blockades around certain topics that are real. I'm assuming this isn't just a troll thread but who knows cause to me comes across as one just because of the ridiculousness of it. The scenes mentioned in Nisemonogatari, in particular, were for comedic effect.

As for another example: A specific episode of Ghost in the Shell: SAC has a guy going around
, does me watching this mean that I like that? does it mean that the writer likes it? No, the writer simply came up with a story.


To each their own opinion though
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Lolicon by defintion is the sexualization of fictional anime children. If you are not fan of that, you are not a part of the problem. As stated above, the presence of lolis is not lolicon. It is only lolicon when the prepubescent fictional anime child is sexualized with fan service. If you enjoy seeing children sexually exploited for the comedic value solely, you are either in denial or have a really perverse sense of humor, which is at least better than lusting over fictional anime children. Yes, they are fictional and they can't be real victims, but its not only the actions that can be threatening, but the idea of what lolicon represents that is sickening, the sexualization of fictional prepubescent anime children. Prepubescent is key because it can be argued that fanservice of postprebuscent anime teenagers is not lolicon and that is commonly accepted. It's really only the under 12 range we are talking about primarily or any age before puberty where secondary sexual characteristics develop, breast. hips, etc.


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The whole thing is stupid imo cause x =/= y. Its like I'm a fan of Black Lagoon, thus I must want to become a smuggler except I don't, I enjoy the characters and story. From a story telling point of view, its really annoying to have ppl try to put limits on what ppl write and to put up blockades around certain topics that are real. I'm assuming this isn't just a troll thread but who knows cause to me comes across as one just because of the ridiculousness of it. The scenes mentioned in Nisemonogatari, in particular, were for comedic effect.




I completely agree that you like a show even though you don't approve of everything done in the show in real life. And when it comes to violence, crime or other taboos there is usually no harm done, but putting forth lolicon, sexualization of fictional anime children in a positive light is harmful as just an idea even if it translates to lack of action to victimize a real world child.


uncletim wrote:

If you don't like it don't watch it. No one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to watch anything Moe.



Moe =/= Lolicon

Moe equates primary to cuteness, an aesthetic, and the desire to protect something, and it can easily have nothing to do with the sexualization of prepubescent fictional anime children.
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Honestly... too long didn't read... but here ya go!

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Lolicon by defintion is the sexualization of fictional anime children. If you are not fan of that, you are not a part of the problem. As stated above, the presence of lolis is not lolicon. It is only lolicon when the prepubescent fictional anime child is sexualized with fan service. If you enjoy seeing children sexually exploited for the comedic value solely, you are either in denial or have a really perverse sense of humor, which is at least better than lusting over fictional anime children. Yes, they are fictional and they can't be real victims, but its not only the actions that can be threatening, but the idea of what lolicon represents that is sickening, the sexualization of fictional prepubescent anime children. Prepubescent is key because it can be argued that fanservice of postprebuscent anime teenagers is not lolicon and that is commonly accepted. It's really only the under 12 range we are talking about primarily or any age before puberty where secondary sexual characteristics develop, breast. hips, etc.


wow your quoting word for word form a vid made by a guy named douchbag....soooooo yeah


I think you would have better luck on 4chan

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Honestly... too long didn't read... but here ya go!



Yes, because approving of the sexualization of prepubescent anime children is something to be proud of. It is surely a moral gray area that your family and friends will understand when you explain that you are only turned on by the fictional anime children and not filthy 3d ones. Also since they aren't real- they can't be victimized, so it is totally okay. Try that on a non-anime family member or friend and see if they agree it is ok. Lolicon is by definition the sexualization of lolis.

The text summary is mainly for those who don't want to watch the video, but enough to get the conclusion across and give you a taste of what is has to offer. There is obviously much more detailed arguments in the video that dissects most of the arguments of the pro-lolicon fan.
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*facepalms*
Fictional characters have no human rights.
It's drawings.

Do you know what drawings are?
Do you know what real people are?
Do you know what fictional means? Fantasy?

I'll help you learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy (Oh look, the word fiction comes up in it)
Human: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
Real people: Go outside, knock on your neighbour's door, what meets you there is a real person. Also known as people.
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chrishansen wrote:


Stonewolfe wrote:

Honestly... too long didn't read... but here ya go!



Yes, because approving of the sexualization of prepubescent anime children is something to be proud of. It is surely a moral gray area that your family and friends will understand when you explain that you are only turned on by the fictional anime children and not filhy 3d ones. Also since they aren't real- they can't be victimized, so it is totally okay. Try that on a non-anime family member or friend and see if they agree it is ok.


Hah how "awesome" is it to see a notification from chrishansen.

I'll play, i'm bored tonight anyway.

First: I am not sexually attracted to ANY anime character, whether she/he be our tiny little characters, or Loli or Shota if you want to be technical. Nor if it is someone who is glamorized as sexy (and rarely wears clothing) such as Rias Gremory from Highschool DxD. I mentally (or physically?) can not be attracted to something that is not real.

Now obviously everyone is different so I am not saying there are not people out there who are not attracted to them BUT you diligently saying I am attracted to them when you don't even know me, well shame on you sir. Also why the hell are you involving my friends and family into this? Whether or not I am attracted too... well anything really.. is none of their business, tis mine.

Second: Your last little sentence there is the same argument the news and grandma like to use against anyone under the age of... well 30 maybe 40... that because of the rise of Action video games and movies and tv shows, ALL OF SUDDEN I am going to now go out and become a serial killer bent on world destruction!!

So, assuming I did like Anime characters in a sexual way, that argument is saying... well lets see if I was attracted to Loli's i'm all of a sudden going to attack my poor defenseless neighbors girl, or if I was attracted to Anime characters like Rias Gremory i'm all of a sudden going to turn into a giant pervert like Issei and play with the student councils presidents boobs!!

Third: And even I will admit this is a thin point to point out, but you are assuming all morals and rules and what not are the same world over. That is wrong there. Just your morning ritual at home is completely different say in Iraq, or Japan, or Germany compared to the US. So yeah sure while going after a kid is usually bad in most places, betcha there is somewhere on this big ol' planet where it's the norm.


I'm bored of typing now, have fun!
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Sexualization is in the eye of the beholder. When I watch Koyomi and Mayoi I see teasing and comedy, not Koyomi trying to seduce Mayoi as he already has Senjougahara as is loyal to her. And again my core issue is the fact that this is putting restrictions on what stories can be told & how they're told. You're using ppl's sense of humor thats different from your's as a way to accuse them of something that isn't accurate. I view Koyomi and Mayoi more as a teasing big brother to a little sister, than anything perverse. In that light there is no denial or perverseness, its just siblings kidding around. Then there's the fact that certain shows where the girl being underage serves a point or is justified, like Dance in the Vampire Bund. If you (general not literally you) want to be hyper prude thats on you, but don't toss accusations on ppl that they're pedos or lolicons simply because they see things differently.

No harm done?! Smugglers shoot ppl, steal stuff, and can cause immense damage and yet you want to differentiate the two ideas. Trying to say that lolicon is a different thing is wrong, neither of these should be blamed for irl issues. I go back to the GitS: SAC example: if a person starts
does that mean that GitS: SAC is responsible? No, nor does it reflect back on it at all. It just means that there was a sick person out in society regardless of what the show did or didn't do.
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chrishansen wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owa5KcQ9Mxc

Lolicon has been popularized into mainstream anime more and more with recent years in series such as the Bakemonogatari franchise. What is lolicon and what is the appeal? Where do I fall on this debate? Shame on you if you don't know if you don't pick up the on the username reference. Lolicon at the very least is a form of fanservice that involves fictional prepubescent children. Please don't confuse this with lolis - the mere presence of a child within an anime. And I completely agree the lolicon sub-genre is not a mystery that serve not to only alienate more mainstream fans new to the medium, but also continue to paint this genre in a positive light. But, really what is a lolicon fan even if they are not into filthy 3d children? They are not real they say and is a common argument among the lolicon fandom that they argue they are not pedophiles. However, it is the idea is that is most volatile not the lack of the action against real victims, but to just to put the sexualization of fictional anime children in a positive light - this is one fantasy that is not healthy. And hey if you favor different body types, that's more than fine and most harem fanservice shows have you covered with the very varied body types. Want some big fat anime titties - go for a large - we got that, not so extreme and heavy try a medium or in a mood for something petite a small is for you but, dear god, don't go after the kid's meals.


Aw man! Does this mean that because I read too much Harry Potter that I have to run at a wall at full sprint in the hopes that I will get into a school for witchcraft and wizardry and fight evil wizards hell bent on taking over the world!!??? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE WARN ME THAT WHAT I READ OR WATCH EFFECTS THE REAL WORLD!!! What a fool I am!!

(I know your trolling but this seems interesting.)
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*facepalms*
Fictional characters have no human rights.
It's drawings.



Yes, and I covered that in my argument. Here it is again reworded for your convenience.

A common pro-lolicon argument is to argue these fictional anime children are not real. It is true only real children can be sexually victimized by crime. However, it is the idea is that is most volatile not the lack of the action against real victims that is the sickening and most likely. Lolicon often puts the sexualization of fictional anime children in a positive light - this is one fantasy that is not healthy and seen as morally repulsive by practically every modern-day culture. Try explaining your love of lolicon to your non-anime fan friends or family and focus the key difference that they aren't real and can't be victimized. I'm sure they will approve your hobby they know only fictional anime children are being sexualized.


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Aw man! Does this mean that because I read too much Harry Potter that I have to run at a wall at full sprint in the hopes that I will get into a school for witchcraft and wizardry and fight evil wizards hell bent on taking over the world!!??? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE WARN ME THAT WHAT I READ OR WATCH EFFECTS THE REAL WORLD!!! What a fool I am!!

(I know your trolling but this seems interesting.)



No, you watch Harry Potter because you think the fantasy of witchcraft and fight evil wizards is cool and appealing. People watch lolicon because they see the appeal of the sexualization and fanservice of prepubescent children. I also stress that it is not the threat of actions of lolicon has on the real world that is the most threatening, but it is the idea of putting the fantasy of sexualizing lolis in a acceptable moral light. Huge difference.


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Yes, and I covered that in my argument. Here it is again reworded for your convenience.

A common pro-lolicon argument is to argue these fictional anime children are not real. It is true only real children can be sexually victimized by crime. However, it is the idea is that is most volatile not the lack of the action against real victims that is the sickening and most likely. Lolicon often puts the sexualization of fictional anime children in a positive light - this is one fantasy that is not healthy and seen as morally repulsive by practically every modern-day culture. Try explaining your love of lolicon to your non-anime fan friends or family and focus the key difference that they aren't real and can't be victimized. I'm sure they will approve your hobby they know only fictional anime children are being sexualized.


Yes of course I have to be a pedo because I'm not against lolicon anime and hentai.
Your logic is retarded.
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Kind of funny the way he is quoting this guys vid almost word for word can't he think for himself?
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