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A friend of mine told me he refuses to pay for Crunchyroll because they use fansubs without giving credit where credit is due. Hmmm.... I don't know! I just know that I like Crunchyroll, and I get to watch simulcasts! Fansubs are subtitles provided by fans, free of charge. So, to him, charging people to see content provided Freely by fans is just wrong. But, what about the copyright for the show? I'm pretty sure Crunchyroll isn't legally allowed to let us all watch anime for free. Yah?
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Posted 2/11/14 , edited 2/11/14
Where exactly did he get this information? I've clicked around CR's website and seen that they hire 3 different positions for Japanese subtitles: Translator and Subtitler, Subtitle Script Editor, and Subtitle Timer. Source: http://www.crunchyroll.com/jobs

Unless your friend can provide real proof of his claim, I'm going to say you shouldn't believe him. And I'm not saying this simply because I've subscribed to CR (though not currently because I can't afford it) so I'm biased. I'm saying if he has no true evidence and is making things up or going off rumors his entire argument is discredited. Don't believe everything people tell you.

And you never know. It could always be the other way around. The "fansubs" on free videos (downloaded or streamed) could be taken from CR and not credited back to them. So maybe your friend has seen similarities but assumes CR is using the fansubs, not the other way around.
Posted 2/11/14
idk, I don't work for CR. but how is that a reason not to pay for legal anime streaming though? sounds just like another one of those excuses where the person just wants to watch it through illegal means.
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Fansubs are subtitled "free" by fans, but they are illegal. But even beyond them being illegal, they don't get money back to the show creators, while Crunchyroll spends nearly all of its money on licensing the shows specifically so those creators get the money to keep creating what we love to watch.

If your friend is worried that CR is airing fansubbed shows that are just copied over.. please assure him, CR either gets the subs direct from the publisher or does in-house subtitles, depending on the license agreement. All credit is given where it's due CR did start off as a fansub site, hosting works by others, but those days are long past - everything is legit now.

Ever since it went legal, CR's business model uses the ad income for free users and paid subscriber monies and splits that among which shows each user watches, along with some set aside for operating costs, subtitling expenses, and so on.
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Posted 2/11/14

GayAsianBoy wrote:

idk, I don't work for CR. but how is that a reason not to pay for legal anime streaming though? sounds just like another one of those excuses where the person just wants to watch it through illegal means.


People will do what they can to justify it. "I'm not going to support thefts (supposed CR using fansubs without permission)," says the hypocrite. Piracy is theft. >_>
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I don't think the fan made subtitles are illegal, just the copying without permission. I'm a Kopimist, I don't agree with calling it "piracy", nor do I think it's theft. Nearly everyone I've ever known my whole life copies stuff and shares stuff. I'm a sharer. I'll let friends and family watch anime on my account. I let Dad watch what he wants on my Hulu plus. I see nothing wrong with it. I want to support my favorite content creators, so I pay for Crunchyroll, etc. We "pirates" aren't going away, and fighting us doesn't work. Either adapt, or struggle uselessly.
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I share my Netfix account with my boyfriend because I don't see the point in both of us paying. That's a waste of money. However, uploading things that don't belong to you to "share" them with people is illegal. It's a digital form of theft because the people downloading said media are not paying for it. The uploader may have paid for it, but it's not theirs to distribute in such a fashion. So, torrents are illegal. Fansubs? That depends. I don't think the act of adding fansubs is necessarily an illegal act in itself, but uploading the videos to be downloaded for free is. As far as I can tell, the legality of fansubs is still debated.

I am perfectly okay with the idea of sharing accounts like Netflix and Crunchyroll, because they're still being paid for, but torrenting is illegal, no matter how you look at it. I am saying downloading things illegally is piracy, not sharing accounts.
Posted 2/11/14
have nothing against pirates. but don't use stupid reasons like, "CR stole fansubs therefore i dont wanna pay" as an excuse. if you're broke, just say you're broke, or if you dont wanna spend money on people's art, just say you don't want to.

at least those are legitimate reasons for not paying for a service.
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Crunchyroll has its own crew that they paid for making the subtitles. The idea that CR "steals" subs is very outdated.

While I can certainly see the advantages of fan subtitles, it doesn't change the fact that it is wrong. (one advantage: letting it become known in an area where it is otherwise unavailable)

Creating an anime is really expensive, so when people translate said anime without permission and furthermore makes it available for free; That right there is theft. Copyright theft, or infringement if you will. Doesn't matter how you shake and stir at it, it will always be the same.

They did no ask for permission to translate, they did not care for the permission to translate. They just did it because they wanted to. The victim studio of said fan subtitles might see some profit from DVD/BD sales, but lets be honest. Most fans are likely to never buy a DVD/BD or even a figurine from the anime.

That is why sites such as Crunchyroll is so important. It always for easy access of anime without being overly expensive. Easy is the most important key word here, because that's what most fans want. This way fans can still get anime easy, while actually giving back to the studios.

How much profit fan subs actually return is really unknown, and I doubt we'll never get a clear number.
Bottom line, it is not a reliable source of income and therefore not profitable.

Honestly? I don't care how you use your account on CR - as long as you abide by the rules and take care of your account's security. Share with your friends, give them guest passes - it matters not - as long as it is done legally.


The argument that something isn't stealing because you are "just" copying it, is an outdated idea that just goes to show how misinformed people are.
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Posted 2/13/14
your friend just doesn't want to pay and is using a stupid excuse to justify something that is technically illegal anyway. end of story.

now, i got nothing against fansubs (it's how i used to watch stuff before CR) but i much rather stream than download nowadays. besides, you don't HAVE to have a paid subscription to CR. if you don't mind waiting a week after the original airing, then you can watch it for *GASP* free~ (which is what i do for funi because i refuse to pay for that crappy site :/)!
Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
I highly doubt CR has any reason to use fan subs. I don't care if people make fan subs, heck I still grab them some times.
Not that it matters, I am not watching much anymore cause it's all a samey mess, which is probably a bigger problem for anime.
I should probably switch to a free membership.
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Posted 2/13/14
Crunchyroll does everything 100% legit, from subbing to licensing, so I have no idea why your friend would think Crunchyroll is stealing fansubs( most likely just wants to stream anime illegally, even though alot of Crunchyroll's episodes are watchable in full Hd, even without a membership or account :/ ). It's the Reason why I use Crunchyroll, being able to support our manga/anime makers means that the more money they get, the more anime and merchandise we get!
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Posted 2/13/14
I have several points to make:

1) CR doesn't take from fansubs as they release earlier than most of them.
2) Some fansubs to take CR subs and edit them
3) Fansubs are not soulless machines that do nothing to give back to the anime industry. Fansubs spread anime where paid subscriptions are otherwise not available. Simply, it is much easier to spread anime using fansubs. More anime fans means more people to buy anime products. To assume that people who watch fansubs don't pay for anything is a bad generalization.

And reading this, torrents are not illegal (torrents is a method of downloading something. would be more accurate to say that most things torrented are illegal). Fansub are of disputed legality; one could argue it is a derivative work. If companies really see it as an issue they would have taken it down in a heartbeat.
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Posted 2/13/14
What I want to know is, why is Crunchy failing so much with big titles these days? Kill La Kill and Chuunibyo REN are among those that they've had to move around and reschedule because of problems. Is it because of the fansubs' presence or something else?
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Posted 2/13/14

TheSpektrum wrote:

What I want to know is, why is Crunchy failing so much with big titles these days? Kill La Kill and Chuunibyo REN are among those that they've had to move around and reschedule because of problems. Is it because of the fansubs' presence or something else?


I can't speak for KLK, but Chuunibyou was delayed because the Chinese licence holder leaked one of the episodes before it aired in Japan
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