My problem with the Manga Industry vs Anime Industry
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Posted 2/12/14 , edited 2/12/14
This topic is not about an specific title or series. It is about my opinions and thoughts on the industry and ability to get Manga legally vs Anime Legally.

Let's start out with the Value proposition for paying for a Crunchyroll Subscription. About $100. You get access to an absurd library of Anime in high quality with good Translations. Along with the occasional dub. The current season's Anime is available within hours of its release in Japan with good subtitles into English. You are never behind in the respective online community for the series. The benefit to getting anime Illegally equates to pretty much saving money.

And then there is Manga. I get most of my Manga via my subscription to Shonen Jump and that wonderful Manga tab in the upper left part of all of our screens. Every Monday after I get home, I download the latest issue on my phone or load it up on my computer and read through an assortment of new chapters Ranging from Naruto to World Trigger, skipping One peace and Toriko, but that isn't the point. That sounds good, right? Except that the next chapter of any given series is leaked or what ever a few days later. Kinda a bummer. Manga like Fairy Tail, which I read here on Crunchyroll, have a similar problem of being released on a Friday or so and arriving the following Tuesday on Crunchyroll. Attack on Titan, which is monthly, is about a day or so difference between Leaked Version and Crunchyroll's. Then there is Translations differences between chapters.

Minor Attack on titan and Fairy Tail Spoilers.


Those two translations offer different meanings to the chapters, but that isn't the point I started this post trying to make. Sorry. The services that offer Manga Legally don't offer a more viable option, for the most part, than the Illegal options. Though I prefer to read my Manga on Crunchyroll or Shonen Jump, But I really started my Shonen Jump subscription to support Rurouni Kenshin Restoration. so I feel like I have an attachment to supporting Shonen Jump more than the average person.

That is my little rant about the Manga Industry and the problems that can't really be solved by anyone involved. Thoughts?
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My main problem with the anime industry is often times an anime series is just a very expensive and long commercial for the novels or figures. The content is usually toned down to reach a larger audience and the ending is usually always left open for a sequel which 9/10 times wont come.

Can't really speak for the manga industry since I've almost given up on it.
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So, your problem is that different publishers have different translations? No helping that. As for the time it takes to release a chapter, I say the wait is worth it because if it's released too fast the translation is more likely to be full of grammatical errors / etc. than if they did the release a little later than everyone else.

Ultimately, here's the deal: if you're supporting the legal side of things, don't worry about the illegal side.
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My problem has nothing to do with translations, that is just a byproduct of how different Japanese and English are. The problem that I was trying to more-or-less rant about was the problem we can't really do anything about. The Illegal versions of manga series x y and z release about half a week earlier than the legal versions. Which, unlike Crunchyroll's quick High Quality legal anime distribution, legal Online manga distributers don't have a way of providing better access- aside from being official -to their titles vs the countless sites with the leaked content.

I mainly have a problem with it, as browsing various online communities(tumblr and the like) for anything related to a series I read in Shonen Jump is pretty much cut off in fear of spoilers from the leaked versions. But the point still stands that Official Manga distributers can't provide a superior service than the leaked online versions.
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sanuske wrote:
But the point still stands that Official Manga distributers can't provide a superior service than the leaked online versions.


can't ? If the illegal versions can get them out that fast, why can't legal ones do the same? Time constraints? Quality issues?

There are a few teams out there that do every bit a good job as the legal distributors, so I really don't think time and quality should be an issue.
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From what I understand, the illegal versions are leaked before the official release. I may be wrong, but there isn't much you can really do when the leaked versions are posted before officially being released anywhere. If anyone knows what actually goes on with the illegal online versions vs legal versions, I'd be interested to learn more about what actually happens.
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sanuske wrote:

From what I understand, the illegal versions are leaked before the official release. I may be wrong, but there isn't much you can really do when the leaked versions are posted before officially being released anywhere. If anyone knows what actually goes on with the illegal online versions vs legal versions, I'd be interested to learn more about what actually happens.


I could give you a general idea of how they release illegal scanlations (as in, the processes involved) but that's about it. Though, really, I don't see what the big deal is about one being released before the other. If you just focus on what is being released through your legal subscriptions and not what the other guys are doing (as in, don't even go to sites such as mangafox, etc. or their forums), then why bother worrying over the issue?

I believe this article will be of interest to you:

http://doalchemy.org/2010/06/the-problems-with-the-problem-of-online-manga/
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sanuske wrote:

From what I understand, the illegal versions are leaked before the official release. I may be wrong, but there isn't much you can really do when the leaked versions are posted before officially being released anywhere. If anyone knows what actually goes on with the illegal online versions vs legal versions, I'd be interested to learn more about what actually happens.


People take publications like shonen jump, cut the binding off, and scan them to the computer. These are uploaded as raws. Scanlation groups will download said raws, clean them up, translate them, and re upload them as finished scanlations.
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^ so that would mean they are scanned after they've been officially released. which actually i have no idea how they could get their hands on the chapter before it was published unless it was literally an editor of the magazine or something, which would be really bad haha. Unless by official release you mean released outside of Japan... in that case, well. *shrug* I consider it official when it is released to its home audience.

Anime is different in that many if not all of the episodes are completed before they are released weekly to the public. Mangakas don't typically have chapters done ahead of their release dates (debatable for monthly serializations), and even if they do it's not like they're gonna put their stuff out there before the due date.

well, as said in the OP, any problems for all this can't really be resolved. There's no way that any of the legal subscriptions and publishing companies will get their hands on all of the thousands of manga/manwha/manhua that people want to read, especially for those of us who read manga like we eat cereal.
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Sogno- wrote:

^ so that would mean they are scanned after they've been officially released. which actually i have no idea how they could get their hands on the chapter before it was published unless it was literally an editor of the magazine or something, which would be really bad haha. Unless by official release you mean released outside of Japan... in that case, well. *shrug* I consider it official when it is released to its home audience.


Actually, Weekly Shonen Jump, Weekly Shonen Magazine, and just about every other magazine gets onto the net before the official release date.

Magazines are shipped to stores prior to release date and somewhere in between, someone gets their hands on it and leaks it online.
Jump gets released officially in Japan on Mondays, unless there's a holiday, then Saturday, but scans and raws are up around 5 days prior to that.
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And that is what makes browsing tumblr for anything Naruto related impossible except for on Mondays and Tuesday. Heck. I've gotten leaked Naruto spoilers while checking up on Fairy Tail related stuff on tumblr The communities are interconnected, and looking up something about the Nisekoi episode on Saturday is bound to give me spoilers on the chapter I'll read on the following Monday. Which is really the main thing that annoyed me when I wrote the post.


I'm enjoying the discussion taking place in this topic though. Quite fun to read through the posts.
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My main problem with the anime industry is often times an anime series is just a very expensive and long commercial for the novels or figures. The content is usually toned down to reach a larger audience and the ending is usually always left open for a sequel which 9/10 times wont come.


That is exactly what they are intended to be though, unless it's an anime original series. The vast majority of anime are produced as a marketing device (and often loss-leader) for the original light novel or manga. And actually owning the anime is a luxury collectors item that most people don't get. Most buy smaller merch, figures, and/or said LN/manga.

As an extreme example of this: Attack on Titan averaged 150k sales per volume before the anime, if I remember correctly. Within a few episodes airing, they had sold an aggregate of another MILLION copies of the various volumes. And the latest volume had a print run of 2 million copies for that single volume alone.

As I understand it, CR gets advance copies of the raws from the publisher most of the time, so they have the ability to release concurrent with Japan for the most part. The one caveat to this is yes, advance copies of WSJ often get leaked, which also gives the scanlators lead time. The biggest issue though is: Stuff like Big3 releases are crapped out the door with terrible quality. The chapters are short, they spend the bare minimum time on translating, little QC, no redraws, etc. WSJ is printed on recycled newsprint with 1/3 normal ink -- the scans are terrible, and the quickie full-strength topaz filter they use utterly obliterates the image quality into smoothed garbage.

So the one area CR and other official online manga sites have a leg up is: They get the original digital source files, so things like screentones and gradients are crisp and don't have huge moire problems like scans do. And if you don't plan to buy the volumes, at least you're sending a few dimes to the creators.

Unfortunately, the majority of people don't seem to care about quality for anime or manga at all. They read extremely mainstream titles with super speed releases on Chinese bootleg sites that horribly compress and watermark the files. Sometimes even missing pages. Or stream their anime in terrible quality on Chinese-owned streaming sites. There's no helping people like that IMHO.
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