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Can Americans create anime?
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Posted 2/13/14
I'm not japanese, I will never call anything made outside of Japan for anime.
To me, Anime is the cartoons made in Japan.
And what ever is made in the west for cartoons or animated movies(Pixar).
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Well Japanese call anything animated Anime. I have Japanese neighbors, I have seen them call stuff like Futurama, The Simpsons, or other shows on FOX or Cartoon Network, Anime. Though sometimes I will hear the father say American or English Anime.

What we generally call Anime here in the West is more an Art style than anything else. As such anyone can do it no matter where they are from. So if you want to make an Anime style animation then go for it.

Now I will say as someone from the West who definitely prefers subs, there is a bit more authenticity from Japanese Anime especially when based in Japan. But if you are doing an Anime in another country, say America being the base, or another reality where nothing is based of anything from our reality. Then I say nothing holds you back or English would be the preferred language making it better or whatever. I think I got my point across, its early so hell if I know right now.
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Only animation made in Japan is anime to western people. All animation is anime to japanese people. And because I'm from west I just call japanese cartoons anime and everything else just cartoon. I think "correct" term for anime made in western countries is pseudo-anime, it's made to look like japanese cartoon but really isn't japanese. I use these rules because they feel simple and I don't want to start making these things complicated because it doesn't really matter, just call it what you want and people most of the time will understand what you're talking about
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Stonewolfe wrote:

What we generally call Anime here in the West is more an Art style than anything else. As such anyone can do it no matter where they are from.


So you're saying..
/straight-title-robot-anime
/sumiko
/abunai-sisters
/woosers-hand-to-mouth-life
/little-witch-academia
/la-maison-en-petits-cubes
/kaede-new-town
/folktales-from-japan
/flowers-of-evil
can't be called "anime" because of some obscure West vs East style restriction?

Personally, I don't see what's wrong with calling Animation from Japan by its Japanese name instead of calling it "Japanimation" like people were trying oh-so-hard to do 10 years back.

Yes, it's a more general term in their country. We have words like that too. For English speakers, the term "cafe" can be used in a wider context than just "coffee." But that doesn't make it so in every language that uses the term "cafe."
MAL, ANN, Anime Network focus on Japanese animation, so it's already popularly used in such a way.
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I believe anyone can make anime, because its defining traits are a specific artstyle (I don't know how to describe it, but the Avatar series does it well - just compare that to something else, like say Ben 10) and an epic narrative (e.g. it's not episodic and/or the plot cannot be completed in 10/20 minutes).

A lot of hardcore (Western) otaku will insist that if it isn't from Japan, it isn't anime though.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
I've never had this debate regarding anime, but I've had it regarding food (Champagne). As long as people keep their heads it can be a fun discussion. Personally, I think that the term Anime refers to the style. So I would consider anything made in that style to be anime. I understand the argument that anime refers only to products from Japan. That argument defines anime, not a style, but as a product. It's an argument as to whether anime is a narrow term (product) or a broad one (style). Since anime is a form of media, and less of a physical entity than say, sparkling white wine, I view it as a style. I find that where people are on this kind of debate, depends on the item in question. Buffalo Wings and Pilsner beers are items that almost everyone accepts are not required to be from Buffalo, NY or Pilzen, Czech Republic in order to use those names. Champagne and Kobe Beef are examples where the names are legally only used to describe products from their respective regions.

That takes care of the semantics. As for the quality question, yes, the US or any country with similar media resources is capable of producing animation of that quality. To borrow an example from the automotive world, Italian and British cars had dominated endurance racing since it's beginning. In the 1960's however, Ford decided that it was going to make a car that could beat the Italians and the Brits ( these race cars required street legal versions in the 60's). They set out to win the world's premier endurance race, the 24 hours of Le Mans. Ford succeeded, winning 4 straight Le Mans overall victories. The Germans went one better, deciding that they too wanted to make a mark on the world of endurance racing. Since 1970, German cars have won the 24 Hours of Le Mans an average of 3 out of every 4 races.
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Posted 2/13/14

HauAreWe wrote:


Stonewolfe wrote:

What we generally call Anime here in the West is more an Art style than anything else. As such anyone can do it no matter where they are from.


So you're saying..

can't be called "anime" because of some obscure West vs East style restriction?

Personally, I don't see what's wrong with calling Animation from Japan by its Japanese name instead of calling it "Japanimation" like people were trying oh-so-hard to do 10 years back.

Yes, it's a more general term in their country. We have words like that too. For English speakers, the term "cafe" can be used in a wider context than just "coffee." But that doesn't make it so in every language that uses the term "cafe."
MAL, ANN, Anime Network focus on Japanese animation, so it's already popularly used in such a way.


Too some people, I am sure those don't count as Anime, even if they come from Japan, just cause of their styles. But to me, no they are Anime. Even though I say Anime is more an Art style, it is more of an Art group? Or something like that, because in Anime there are hundred if not thousands of types of Art forms and styles that make it up because there are hundreds to thousands of different artists that draw up the characters/backgrounds etc in the shows.

Also if we use the Japanese version of the word, since they call everything animated Anime, too them Looney Toons is no different than Gundam, it just uses a different art style essentially...

But yes you're right in the fact words mean different things in different places. Hell look at the more fervent Anime fans who classify themselves as Weeaboos or Otakus as if they should be praised, when in Japan Otaku at least is a word usually seen to put people down, not be praised.

So just like cafe can mean different things in different languages/parts of the world as well as to different people mattering where they are from. Anime is going to mean something different to different people. Westerners want to simply use it as a term for what comes out of Japan. Where the Japanese use it for anything animated.

Because of these language barriers, rarely will a word mean the same thing across the world. Even if people tried arguing the point, to some people it will mean one thing, to others it will mean another.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14

Genbu89 wrote:

I believe anyone can make anime, because its defining traits are a specific artstyle.

A lot of hardcore (Western) otaku will insist that if it isn't from Japan, it isn't anime though.


The problem with this is that "a specific art style" isn't definable. Pick any character design or any medium used to create a Japanese animation (3D CG, Cell-shaded, computer animated, etc), and you'll find many exceptions to that style (even if you just look through Crunchyroll's rather limited list.)

Doraemon and Sazae-san (Japan's longest running anime) look very little like the typical anime we see every day.
To then say "well Doraemon, Sazae-san, Astro Boy, gdgd fairies, the flowers of evil, studio Ghibli films aren't anime because they don't always look like it" would make deciding "what is" and "what isn't anime" a convoluted mess and render the word vagye and meaningless to anyone that speaks English.

It's a Japanese cartoon, so the Japanese name is used. Why does that have to be mind blowing

Let's do a paradigm shift:
If someone that's never seen cartoons outside of the Simpsons or Looney Tunes asked you "What is anime?" Would you respond by stopping them right there, drawing a picture, and saying, "Cartoons that look like this!" Or would you simply say "They're Japanese cartoons?"
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Posted 2/13/14
putting the art aside the west will never produce the grand stories that appeal to most if not all anime fans
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Theres absolutely no reason why not...

What we describe as anime takes many different styles so style isn't really the problem. Most of us describe Panty & Stockings as anime and that obviously takes a lot of Western influence.

Its obviously not a quality mark because we all know of some absolutely terrible shows that we still label anime...
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Hypothetically, if some animation studios inthe U.S were contracted to do an animation for Japanese audience, and the VAs were all Japanese, was it an anime?
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twintiger12 wrote:

Hypothetically, if some animation studios inthe U.S were contracted to do an animation for Japanese audience, and the VAs were all Japanese, was it an anime?


I would say yes.

Conversely lets say an eastern animation studio made a show using English VAs and a style more reminiscent of Western cartoons...would this be anime? I once again say yes...
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twintiger12 wrote:

Hypothetically, if some animation studios inthe U.S were contracted to do an animation for Japanese audience, and the VAs were all Japanese, was it an anime?


Reminds me of the "Made in USA" argument I heard someone making one day..
If the idea for a product was planned in the US, but was formed and created in China, yet the end-product was assembled and finished in the US, is it "Made in the USA?"
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You have to remember where the inspiration for anime came from. America. Anime was inspired from Walt Disney cartoons, you know because of the big eyes. Anime is just an art form, like any other cartoon. I dont think it really belongs to anyone. Art is art, no matter where it comes from.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14

Anime was inspired from Walt Disney cartoons


This is off-topic, but a pretty good example of that is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ne-0e6P4jo

I know some really good Chinese, Korean, and French examples of this too, but I'd rather not overcrowd things =/
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