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17 / M / Dallas, Texas
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 3/13/14
I wanted to know your thoughts on music/movie/game piracy so i decided to make this thread.
Now let me ask you some questions.
Do you Pirate any form of entertainment be it movies, games, music?
Do you think it's wrong to pirate entertainment?
Do you think your government should invest more time into stopping this?
Let me know your answers.
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Posted 2/13/14
I don't think the government can do much to completely stop it nor do I feel the government really cares outside of movies/music. Yes it is wrong to pirate entertainment however media corps are greedy and it definitely shows with the amount of pirating that is done online that people would rather get it by illegal means than pay a premium for it legally.
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25 / M / Seattle, WA, USA
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
I have only watched Japanese Fairy Tail episodes illegally. I used a Funimation subscription to watch the episodes that were available in English at the time. No way I was going to wait for over a year for them to dub the next episodes. I couldn't find a single website that let me watch the Japanese episodes legally, through a subscription. I don't read manga illegally unless there is no physical English copy available. I may try out a few chapters to see if I enjoy it first before I go out and buy them though.

I have never downloaded anything illegally.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
No, I define pirating as stealing and I can't stand stealing. Imagine being a company or a small studio and spending a huge amount of time and money on a project, and then to release it on to the market, only to have your work put on to a website and illegally downloaded. That would feel horrible, or at least I think it might. But Midorri is correct in her statement about the media corps being greedy. Some companies will take advantage of something and squeeze out every last bit of currency at insane and unreasonable prices. Which eventually leads to pirating. Some examples of this would be a real money shop in a pay to play game, or selling multiple parts of a single season of a television series at say $30 a DVD, and having 4 DVDs covering a season. But not every company is greedy. Also, the government can't do much about pirating, it's a worldwide thing.
Posted 2/13/14
- I used to have tons and tons of pc/console/roms/movies/etc from nefarious sources, I'll admit. I would often download a game, try it out for a bit, and probably delete it (especially if it sucked). Movies on the other hand, I'd download it, put in a folder, and probably never even watch the damn thing. I find that I still have a shred of sense of ownership, and rarely play/watch anything that I didn't actually own physical/legal copies of. Or rather, Because I paid money for such, I am duty bound to play/watch it in entirety. I honestly can't tell you one game I've downloaded, that I've actually beaten, save for my -now gone- PSP library.

- As for anime. Hells yea. If I already paid 'X' a sub fee, and they paid 'Y' for usage rights, then I figure that I paid my due already, and should have right to watch any time I please, even offline. I mean, they got my money already, so I see no problem with storing my purchase on my terms. ~heh.

- Do I think piracy is wrong? I'd be a hypocrite if I said yes. It's a morally ambiguous notion. One could argue the greed of a corporation versus their overall quality of products (EA games...), or that just because someone is underprivileged, doesn't mean they aren't entitled to enjoy the same entertainment as everyone else. So on. Overall I don't find piracy to be in either a 'good' or 'evil' category. More of a gray area.

- Do I think the government should spend more money on 'thwarting' piracy? No. a thousand times, no. My reason for that is, the more time/money/resources to expend trying to stop people from doing what the want, the more creative those people will become in evading you. Look at the supposed 'War on Drugs', the fed spends billions of [tax payer] dollars a year fighting. They'll claim progress, but the numbers show otherwise. There are more drugs now than ever before. Same thing with piracy. They can't stop it, they can only slow it down for short periods, if even that. Just let the people get hi- I mean watch their shitty handi-cam movies already.

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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
On one hand, I'm both glad and sad that I don't live in the US.
I live in Croatia, which has it's flaws - one of them being no availability of specific shows on Crunchyroll (I'm trying the free trial), complete unavailability of Nextflix etc.

On the other hand, we have something few other states in the world have - decriminalized media piracy. Yep, you heard that right, downloading media (music, video) for personal use is not penalized by law because the ZAMP agency (our equivalent of the US's RIAA/MPAA) added a tax on optical mediums (CD/DVD), flash drives (USB thumb drives, memory cards) and hard drives, which is included in the final price of the product sold for possible piracy use.

I know that in the US, some ISP's block specific internet protocols and ports (ex: torrent), but here they keep their eyes wide shut, knowing they will lose the majority of flat-rate user base if they start obstructing the service or banning users. The only case they send users warnings is if they transfer serious amounts of data constantly (in the range of several TB of data monthly), and even among those it's a rare case.

Another thing which is encouraging piracy is the high price of games in contrast to the average pay. In Croatia, the average pay is a little over 1000$, but the average new game costs around 65$ (You spend 1/15 of your entire salary for a single game if you want to go completely legal).
I buy legal games over Steam, but only when they're on sales, I know that it's a great game, and I'm not throwing a huge chunk of my pay on a below-average game.

Nobody in public will support or encourage you, but if you search their hard drives, you would find them full of pirated content. Nobody admits it (publicly), but everyone does it.
We joined the EU last year, and this is pretty much surely going to change, I hope for the better, getting us more cheap legal stores, which is really the only way to better things.

Now onto your questions:
Do you Pirate any form of entertainment be it movies, games, music?
Yes, I pirate video and music heavily. I don't pirate any games for several years now cause I can buy them affordable and do so often via digital download.

Do you think it's wrong to pirate entertainment?
On some level I do, but I don't dwell on it as cheap legal forms of on-demand buying/streaming simply don't exist here now, or we have to rely on costly imports that are slapped with taxes and VAT on them.

Do you think your government should invest more time into stopping this?
No, as it will net no results, they should just focus on bringing in more stores, as it's really the only right way to fight piracy, as it's proven with Steam and iTunes.
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Posted 2/13/14
yes i pirate because aniplex or other companies won t let their shows see the netherlands.
it is wrong yes. but i buy bluray form jp and u.s. and if you do that also you support the industry more than enough.
and not only that the picture quality is so much prettier on a format.
gov yes they must invest more in exterminating piracy.
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17 / M / Galaxy
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Posted 2/13/14
I use to pirate PC games.I don't think its wrong at all because some people can't afford it at their current financial situation.No the government should not stop this.I believe that he should invest his time on something more worth meaning then this.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
Back when I was younger the movie, TV and music industries were way too slow to adapt. Pirating was the only way to obtain lots of content in modern formats. Services like Netflix, Hulu, Itunes, Steam etc. have stepped up since then, so that's not a valid reason for me anymore.

I also make more than enough money to buy the things I want now. Pirating is morally questionable to begin with, but even harder to justify when you have wealth.

I don't think pirating should be illegal though. Not everything is best solved with the law. Had the industry successfully stopped pirates ten years ago, we might never have seen the services mentioned previously.
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29 / M / Netherlands
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Posted 2/13/14
Do you Pirate any form of entertainment be it movies, games, music?
Alot of people do not know that everything you download does not mean you are pirating.
Downloading from any resource is legal (unless you are German, sorry guys).
You are a pirate however when you create a resource to download from.
As soon you upload copyrighted material with the intent to spread, you are pirating.

[Do you think it's wrong to pirate entertainment?
It has been proven already that pirating is actually a stimulance for the movie and gaming branch.
For music it is a bit more complicated as the CD market died out some years ago and the music industry is still experimenting with new platforms to distribute their labeled music.

But more people (then you expect) download first a game, find the hacked/crack copy horrible but likes the game, they buy the game or they game mouth-to-mouth advertisement of their ingame happy times. Also it stimulates game companies to build better security systems for when a game is online. It has a downsize that some games are pushed to become multiplayer (the latest Simcity is a nice example of this) in order to push the "Be always Online if you want to play" authentication method to access the game content.

For movies it is all about the cover and the extra's that comes with the DVD/BR release. Cam versions don't need to explanation. This is an matter if the person that would download a cam version of a movie, would have no money for the cinema in the first place.
Since it is always about money, most people that download cam versions have no money to go to the cinema and still want to be able to talk with their friends about the new hype.

Do you think your government should invest more time into stopping this?
No. Never ever at all. This is because the Movie/Music/Gaming industry would get certain privileges. Look at Germany where they actually destroy individual persons because they downloaded. This affects censorship of the internet, your freedom of speech and your freedom in general. Everything should always be downloadable and/or containable under the act of information and knowledge. This should be free access for everyone. Take down the uploaders, they are the source of people getting angry about the spread of copyright content.

Look what happend with Kim Dotcom.

It should be a normal procedure for every content that is illegal and being uploaded to a file/information sharing platform, that a NTD is being send for the item (like how it happens with google search results) in matter.
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Posted 2/13/14
I think this kind of problem can be solved by offering better services.

For instance, I have a premium membership on CR, but 720p and 1080p videos barely work (and it's not a buffer issue), most of the animes they add that I want to watch are not available in my region. So even though I'm paying to have access to legal animes I always end up feeling left out. And what other services are there for animes for example? (with the original audio)

On the other hand, ever since steam, gog, amazon and others started selling digital games, I don't even consider pirating games anymore.



One last thing, people mentioned money as a reason to pirate, in this case it won't matter to the industry because that person would never brought their item no matter what, the only thing they gained was another mouth to advertise their product for them.

Instead of going after every individual that has the audacity of liking something, it's better to do like Iron Maiden, that decided to do more shows to earn more money, instead of relying just on selling cds.


ps: sorry for the bad english, I just woke up and its not my native language.
Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
A creative idea is strung together by many ideas, all of which come from external sources. Meaning, ones creative idea is originally not ones own to begin with. Copyright law is an arrogant and greedy attempt to defy these principles, by saying that the rightful owner of an idea is the sole entity in all of existence from which creative ideas blossomed on their own. Needless to say, I don't care to abide by such an illogical concept.
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Posted 2/13/14 , edited 2/13/14
Darn. For once I was hoping the word "pirating" would be used for fictional parrot-owning "yohoho~," scruffy beard, and treasure-hunting adventure type "pirating."

Why can't we have fun topics T_T
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Posted 2/13/14
its legal in canada, you can share things games,music,movies with people as long as you do not profit from it.
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Posted 2/13/14
Im not gonna lie I've downloaded a lot of animes but when a blu ray copy is available I'll buy it and delete the download copy
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