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sonic720 wrote:
I'll happily wait to watch KlK when it is uploaded later on CR, as there's no excuse for me to steal it to have a few hours sooner.


Stealing (at least in most countries) is a criminal offense

In the US, IP falls under civil statutes

No comparison

In many countries, "pirating" is not any sort of offense of civil or criminal codes. Not talking about china or russia here, nordic countries, for example
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I don't care. Too much anime comes out on Thursdays anyways that I watch. Just to name some. Naruto, Silver Spoon, Strange +, Pupa, Magical Warfare (or 2014 SAO as I jokingly call it) ZX Ignition (which has been cancelled this week sadly) and Hozuki no Reitetsu. That's basically 6 simulcasts in one day minus Kill la Kill. Plus it does t help how they all come out in one afternoon at almost the same times. Crunchyroll is probably just trying to get these new simulcasts going before kill la kill which has been going on since last season which had little to nothing on new anime
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sonic720 wrote:
I'll happily wait to watch KlK when it is uploaded later on CR, as there's no excuse for me to steal it to have a few hours sooner.


Stealing (at least in most countries) is a criminal offense

In the US, IP falls under civil statutes

No comparison

In many countries, "pirating" is not any sort of offense of civil or criminal codes. Not talking about china or russia here, nordic countries, for example

Seriously? We are going to debate the legal semantics of pirating? Are you kidding me?

Absurd.

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iblessall wrote:


zeredorchestra wrote:


sonic720 wrote:
I'll happily wait to watch KlK when it is uploaded later on CR, as there's no excuse for me to steal it to have a few hours sooner.


Stealing (at least in most countries) is a criminal offense

In the US, IP falls under civil statutes

No comparison

In many countries, "pirating" is not any sort of offense of civil or criminal codes. Not talking about china or russia here, nordic countries, for example

Seriously? We are going to debate the legal semantics of pirating? Are you kidding me?

Absurd.



I don't really care, i got a new Naruto Shippuden. I can wait for kill la kill.
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Posted 2/14/14

iblessall wrote:

Seriously? We are going to debate the legal semantics of pirating? Are you kidding me?

Absurd.



If people are suffering under the MPAA/RIAA sponsored illusion that "piracy" is theft, it is the duty of responsible people to correct them
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Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14

matt0947 wrote:

Is it possible if we can get an official statement as to why Kill la Kill has been delayed for several weeks now? I don't mind waiting a bit, but it would be nice to know what is going on.


The best place for this kind of suggestion and feedback is in the Suggestions / Feedback forum rather than starting it as a discussion in the Anime forum, where it might not be seen Crunchyroll staff.

Therefore I've moved it there.
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Posted 2/14/14

zeredorchestra wrote:


sonic720 wrote:
I'll happily wait to watch KlK when it is uploaded later on CR, as there's no excuse for me to steal it to have a few hours sooner.


Stealing (at least in most countries) is a criminal offense

In the US, IP falls under civil statutes

No comparison

In many countries, "pirating" is not any sort of offense of civil or criminal codes. Not talking about china or russia here, nordic countries, for example


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal
The definition of "steal" according to Merriam Webster Dictionary:


to take (something that does not belong to you) in a way that is wrong or illegal

to take (something that you are not supposed to have) without asking for permission

to wrongly take and use (another person's idea, words, etc.)


By downloading torrents I'm taking something that does not belong to me without permission from the IP holder. I'm not entitled to KlK with a CR membership, but only use of CR's service to stream what they already have available at the moment. Anime is not a right, but a privilege. It is not about the legality of it, but how my viewership either hurts or helps fund more anime projects. When I watch CR as a paying or ad supported member, a portion of that revenue goes to support the IP holder; downloading fansubs does not. I want more anime, so I'll stick with industry supporting means thank you.
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You aren't taking anything

Linking to a dictionary definition of stealing has nothing to do with the legality surrounding IP, or how IP is dealt with in the various countries we reside in. Been watching too many MPAA brainwashing DVD clips.

Try telling someone in Amsterdam that they are stealing by torrenting things, and you will be looked at like a stooge, as it is legal there.

Your narrow viewpoint does not define the reality of how these things are handled via the law in various locations.

Again, stealing, is a criminal offense in the US

IP is civil issue in US

If you are talking morality or ethics, that is a completely separate issue, and defined from person to person
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seekerperson7 wrote:

I didn't realize the timing was so important to people...

I'm sure they're doing the best they can. its not as though their conspiring against their viewers. I understand that consumers demand instant satisfaction, and i'm not denying that one has a "right" to be a little upset, but patience is a virtue - and a few measures of grace and mercy are always good to have.


From what I can tell form this thread, the US release timing when as-planned appears to be during the evening?
So people are staying up a bit later than they usually would to watch the episode before getting some sleep. And, in some cases, possible getting the "second delay" announcement after already having stayed up a bit.

As such, "released overnight" may only be a small delay to some, but for others it may mean that they can't watch the episode before school/work.

Again, it wouldn't be too much of an issue except I think this is the third delayed week in a row?

(Also, this week, it is a bit of a special case. Today being Valentines day, people may well have other commitments this evening. Commitments which, on a Friday, shouldn't clash with Thursday evneing's simulcasts...)

I know that Wakanim UK (not that I watch it there...) has had delays. And I think Daisuki tends to have "subs for everything except English" every time the other services have a delay. So there's clearly an issue getting the English subs out, not just with Crunchyroll. But although it's a production/delivery issue, it's reflecting badly on the actual streaming services.
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people certainly have the right to complain as they are paying varying degrees of membership. it doesn't matter if its only 6-12 bucks we are supporting a service and they should support the service correctly. it bothers me people want to defend bad business.

CR has more issues than just being late with releases
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Posted 2/14/14

lorreen wrote:


matt0947 wrote:

Is it possible if we can get an official statement as to why Kill la Kill has been delayed for several weeks now? I don't mind waiting a bit, but it would be nice to know what is going on.


The best place for this kind of suggestion and feedback is in the Suggestions / Feedback forum rather than starting it as a discussion in the Anime forum, where it might not be seen Crunchyroll staff.

Therefore I've moved it there.


Thank you very much!
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Posted 2/14/14

zeredorchestra wrote:

You aren't taking anything

Linking to a dictionary definition of stealing has nothing to do with the legality surrounding IP, or how IP is dealt with in the various countries we reside in. Been watching too many MPAA brainwashing DVD clips.

Try telling someone in Amsterdam that they are stealing by torrenting things, and you will be looked at like a stooge, as it is legal there.

Your narrow viewpoint does not define the reality of how these things are handled via the law in various locations.

Again, stealing, is a criminal offense in the US

IP is civil issue in US

If you are talking morality or ethics, that is a completely separate issue, and defined from person to person


They outright said it's not a legal issue for them though.


sonic720It is not about the legality of it, but how my viewership either hurts or helps fund more anime projects.


Lots of people try to avoid illegal anime sources because they want money (be it Crunchyroll subscription, DVD costs, or ad revenue) to actually go to the creators of the series. I've seen so many anime and manga translation companies go under due to piracy, and it really sucks when you actually want to own a physical copy of something (it took me AGES to get Evangelion for a decent price thanks to ADV going out).
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Posted 2/14/14
Howdy all!

Just dropping a note.

Translation on this title is not handled in house. We're at the whim of when materials are supplied to us.

As of now the show is posted. Sincere apologies for the delay.

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Posted 2/15/14

Bjaker wrote:
Translation on this title is not handled in house. We're at the whim of when materials are supplied to us.


Is the opposite of in-house "outhouse"?

I know I've said it before, but it does feel like an otherwise excellent show is being marred by the international handling of it, likely by Aniplex themselves.

Currently, people waiting for a legal stream (and paying for the previlege to do so) are effectively being punished. Theoretically, it's supposed to be streamed legally directly after broadcast. Instead, it seems that every legit outlet is being forced to lag being the fansubs. Effectively rewarding the "Bad Boys".

Hopefully one of the steaming partners is feeding this back to Aniplex, saying that this really isn't a good message to be sending to the fandom. Getting those materials out to the streaming sites ready for the proper stream time really should be top priority.
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If I understand correctly and some studios are contractually obligating Crunchyroll/CR to use the studios' "official" subtitles, it would explain something else I've noticed in addition to the delays: Recently, the wording of the subs for some titles (Chuunibyou Ren in particular) is sometimes painfully awkward and/or confusing. According to more-knowledgeable people I've heard from, inaccurate as well... and sometimes it's so bad that even I (with an extremely limited vocabulary) can tell that's not what they really said.

This makes me really sad, because CR has in the past had a deserved reputation for top-notch subs. But now, regardless of the cause, it's getting to the point that I'm almost tempted to watch fansubs. (Don't get me wrong, I'll stay a subscriber regardless. It's just that CR may not be my first choice for every series.)

If CR isn't actually obligated to use "official" subtitles, I hope they'll consider bouncing the scripts to their own team when the official ones are poorly-translated. If CR is obligated to use them... well, what's done is done, but I hope they'll consider trying to get the studios to budge on this requirement when the lawyers are writing the next contract. (Although from what I hear, getting studios to budge on anything may be much easier said than done.)
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