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Tanning to cosplay black characters is blackface?
Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14
“Once you label me you negate me.”

Okay, this quote helped me make sense of this. Now I agree that BlackFace might be offensive.

Sorry guys.
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question: arent geishas doing white face or have been for ever, why is it only white people who get bashed for this stuff when cultures all over the world have done similar things like white face paint and stuff?
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If we can have a football team called The Washington Redskins.....well, never mind. Forget about tanning for cosplay being considered 'black-face'....just tanning for cosplay period....ugh.....
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question: arent geishas doing white face or have been for ever, why is it only white people who get bashed for this stuff when cultures all over the world have done similar things like white face paint and stuff?


Geishas are portraying their own culture while blackface is demeaning another culture for laughs
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Some say tanning to cosplay characters of darker skin color is dehumanizing because it's considered black face...and by tanning to fit a cosplay character, people are treating skin color of the oppressed as a costume that can be put on or off.


Ironically, it's incredibly racist for that to be considered Blackface, because then people are shallowly assuming that all darker-skinned characters are black. Utterly ridiculous, especially considering how ambiguous the ancestry of anime/game/manga characters tend to be.

On another note, I've noticed that the the existence of Whiteface is largely ignored. Sounds like double-standards, to me.

Actually, in the case of White Chicks, it's probably more along the lines of "Whiteandblondewomanface."
Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14

PopePolarBear wrote:

question: arent geishas doing white face or have been for ever, why is it only white people who get bashed for this stuff when cultures all over the world have done similar things like white face paint and stuff?


Some people don't get bashed for doing blackface because they did blackface or maybe do but it has/had nothing to do with stereotyping black people or following that trend.

E.g. "In Europe, there are a number of folk dances or folk performances in which the black face appears to represent the night, or the coming of the longer nights associated with winter. Many fall or autumn North European folk black face customs are employed ritualistically to appease the forces of the oncoming winter, utilizing characters with blackened faces, or black masks".


Therefore I think that it has mainly to do with the intention behind the use of blackface, to mock perhaps or rather to just spread a single minded view of a certain person or people. This is what I gather.


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On another note, I've noticed that the the existence of Whiteface is largely ignored. Sounds like double-standards, to me.

Actually, in the case of White Chicks, it's probably more along the lines of "Whiteandblondewomanface."


You forget that all the white chicks totally enjoyed this movie. It was well thought out and did make the white chicks look good and cool (from what I remember) so even to me I do sort of see the positive impact blackface had which is why it took me ages to understand the problem with it. The important thing is how wide spread it is, how blackface was imported to many countries and the time it was invented.
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Posted 2/14/14
Pretty much as long as your not trying to negatively portray a specific group of people, no one will give you crap about it. And one movie about black guys dressing up as 2 white chicks isnt even comparable to the negative effect blackface had
Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14
Terry Crews cracked me up in White Chicks, he was pretty much along side the actor playing the White girl and he threw the potential stereotype thing out of the window



Now if a white person was to work at a plantation and sing jolly songs perhaps this whole thing would be irrational.
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Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14


I don't recall comparing effects. Instead, I was referring to cosplayers and actors making themselves look like "White" characters, and that nary a peep about racism occurs. In other words, if cosplaying darker people is automatically racist, despite there not being anything particularly negative about it.... Then White Chicks and whatnot are just as ungroundedly racist.



No. I didn't miss anything. I enjoy the movie, myself. Think about it... If using makeup for cosplaying as darker/Black characters is automatically racist for simply changing skin color, then wouldn't the reverse also be racist? After all, the OP's question had to do with darkening being viewed as bad, with the people screaming "racist!" not considering any positive portrayals and whether or not the characters are actually black. I'm making fun of that.
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Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14
Tanning to cosplay is the same as tanning in general. Now, I don't see anything wrong with people wanting to tan.
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You forget that all the white chicks totally enjoyed this movie. It was well thought out and did make the white chicks look good and cool (from what I remember) so even to me I do sort of see the positive impact blackface had which is why it took me ages to understand the problem with it. The important thing is how wide spread it is, how blackface was imported to many countries and the time it was invented.


No. I didn't miss anything. I enjoy the movie, myself. Think about it... If using makeup for cosplaying as darker/Black characters is automatically racist for simply changing skin color, then wouldn't the reverse also be racist? After all, the OP's question had to do with darkening being viewed as bad, with the people screaming "racist!" not considering any positive portrayals and whether or not the characters are actually black. I'm making fun of that.


I thought about it and what comes to mind is that black people's ancestors would probably like the whole thing removed from popular culture rather that it be returned. I do see your point and I do personally think that most people just want preferential treatment of some sort and you know what? good for them if they can call those shots, no hating from me. In a way thou, the people of today are trying to separate themselves at every given opportunity. We are all one and that being said respect and weight of arguments should be taken into consideration before trying to compare one another.
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Posted 2/14/14
was waiting for White Chicks to be pulled out of someones ass.

Comparing Al Jolson with the Wayans Brothers...

Do you even context bro?


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Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14
sounds like a catch 22.

If you happen to have a different skin colour than a character you wish to cosplay as and do nothing. I have no doubt someone would say aren't you too >insert your skin colour< to play that?

Now I understand an objection to Al Jolson style 'black face' make up. It was a particular exaggerated style meant to mock and demean.

I also understand the objection some people might have to a person they perceive as mocking or appropriating their cultures (as per a recent ad campaign last halloween)

but here I just don't see it. Tanning is an expensive, risky and time consuming procedure, expecially if your going to go at enough to dramatically change your skin tone. (it might not even work depending on other factors. on Me it just brings out the native Canadian side of my Metis heritage more strongly)

If it's being done to be authentic to the character how can it be a bad thing?

Unless of course the character, was a racist stereotype?
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

sounds like a catch 22.

If you happen to have a different skin colour than a character you wish to cosplay as and do nothing. I have no doubt someone would say aren't you too >insert your skin colour< to play that?

Now I understand an objection to Al Jolson style 'black face' make up. It was a particular exaggerated style meant to mock and demean.

I also understand the objection some people might have to a person they perceive as mocking or appropriating their cultures (as per a recent ad campaign last halloween)

but here I just don't see it. Tanning is an expensive, risky and time consuming procedure, expecially if your going to go at enough to dramatically change your skin tone. (it might not even work depending on other factors. on Me it just brings out the native Canadian side of my Metis heritage more strongly)

If it's being done to be authentic to the character how can it be a bad thing?

Unless of course the character, was a racist stereotype?


One character being a stereotype really shouldn't be a problem in my opinion but if a lot of characters (in one show) being a stereotype, then that would be different and regarded racist. Stereotypes don't really completely come out of people's asses after all.
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Posted 2/14/14

Sornette wrote:



The other thing to remember is that if you don't live in the skin of someone who has been discriminated against. you are in a difficult position to pass judgement one when someone else is being treated in a racist fashion.

Some people use the concept of White Privilege (or any other factor, tall, thin, male, cis-gendered) to defend their own equally racist positions. But that doesn't change the fact that the circle of priviledge exists and that if you live within it you have no idea what abuse the other person has taken before your 'innocent action' plants the final straw on the camel's back.


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