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Posted 2/14/14
So, Sonic Boom was officially announced a while ago, and it got me thinking about reboots (even though Boom most likely won't really count as an actual reboot, unless the main series somehow does poorly). There's also that new Fairy Tail reboot, the rumored Sailor Moon reboot, and the new RoboCop movie. It seems like opinions on reboots tend to vary from "Wow, that sounds like a nice idea" to "No, there's nothing wrong, don't change anything". My opinions tend to vary depending on the type of reboot and what series it's rebooting. If it's an in-name only type of deal, then I feel you'd might as well make it a new IP. However, if it's one that reimagines the series in ways that are familiar, yet ultimately unique and allow it to try things it never could before, I think it's a good way to introduce new fans to a series while satisfying old ones. What do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of reboots?
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Posted 2/14/14
Some reboots are better than others.

Some are good, others are... well...



Anime wise, I'd say most reboots are pretty good.
Wish they'd do a Kannazuki no Miko reboot...
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My general rule for what people should strive to stay away from in reboots: As long as you can avoid making it like Twin Snakes or Sonic 06 I would think you're good.

I think the problem is adding a new element to it that will make it feel fresh, but not so much that you ruin it in a Michael Bay or George Lucas kind of way. You wanna add something new but still retain that classic feel is how I feel most people think reboots should be done.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted 2/14/14 , edited 2/14/14
It depends on the state of the franchise in question.

If it's seen better years and is still going (even if limping), then yeah, a reboot is okay. It can revitalize old characters, breathe new life into old concepts, and show different facets of the same characters. That way you get a more complete understanding of them, even if the continuity is different.

On the other hand, reboots for the sake of money aren't really cool. While everything is produced to make money, some are more blatant - the Spider-Man reboot into Amazing Spider-Man and the Sailor Moon reboot, just to name a couple. The Amazing reboot came out only five years after 3 finished up the original Spider-Man film trilogy - hardly enough time for a cooldown. The long-rumored Sailor Moon reboot, while it probably will be good and worth watching (if only for the sole purpose of nostalgia), is a pretty blatant cash grab, just like DBZ Kai. The material will still be good, but that doesn't change the fact that it's being produced solely to make bank.

In the end it depends on the state of the franchise. If the overarching story's been completed and it went out on a high (or at least decent) note, a reboot isn't called for for a while. If it ended meh, wait a while. If it did awful, just let it die.

To directly answer the question:

Strengths: new views of familiar characters, possible cool new designs, new concepts applied to familiar characters.
Flaws: sometimes obvious cash grabs, sometimes unnecessary (from a consumer's POV), the inverse of all the strengths.
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Posted 2/14/14

Genbu89 wrote:

It depends on the state of the franchise in question.

If it's seen better years and is still going (even if limping), then yeah, a reboot is okay. It can revitalize old characters, breathe new life into old concepts, and show different facets of the same characters. That way you get a more complete understanding of them, even if the continuity is different.

On the other hand, reboots for the sake of money aren't really cool. While everything is produced to make money, some are more blatant - the Spider-Man reboot into Amazing Spider-Man and the Sailor Moon reboot, just to name a couple. The Amazing reboot came out only five years after 3 finished up the original Spider-Man film trilogy - hardly enough time for a cooldown. The long-rumored Sailor Moon reboot, while it probably will be good and worth watching (if only for the sole purpose of nostalgia), is a pretty blatant cash grab, just like DBZ Kai. The material will still be good, but that doesn't change the fact that it's being produced solely to make bank.

In the end it depends on the state of the franchise. If the overarching story's been completed and it went out on a high (or at least decent) note, a reboot isn't called for for a while. If it ended meh, wait a while. If it did awful, just let it die.

To directly answer the question:

Strengths: new views of familiar characters, possible cool new designs, new concepts applied to familiar characters.
Flaws: sometimes obvious cash grabs, sometimes unnecessary (from a consumer's POV), the inverse of all the strengths.
Yea i actually didnt like the Amazing reboot and i was expecting a 4 before i heard about the reboot since i liked the original so much more =[ So like you said there was hardly a cooldown =/

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It depends

-Does the reboot say anything new about the show / series / characters? Is it going to be recognizable / adopted by fans of the older show?

-Look at Yamato: 2199 as an example of a reboot done right.. Every plot point from the original is kept in some form or another, but the story surrounding that plot point was altered to make it fit within the the new storyline. (For example, in the original, the Mutiny and Yuki's kidnapping happen in the same episode, in 2199 The mutiny happens a lot earlier, and Yuki gets kidnapped during the battle of the Rainbow Galaxy)

-Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 is an example that I particularly didn't care for, but ?I still enjoyed it. The problem here is, the characters at their core are substantially different, with Sylia being the most altered out of the bunch, and it really detracted from my enjoyment of the show.
Nigel was totally unnecessary addition and really didn't bring anything to the table except making Sylia look subservient. (In the original OVAs she was the developer of the hard suits based on her father's designs, In 2040 Nigel was)


-ufotable's Fate / Stay Night remake will be interesting to see how it plays out and looking forward to it.
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Posted 2/22/14
I've liked the few reboots that I've seen, so I'm fairly optimistic about them. Also, some shows are made sloppily the first time around, and/or deviate from the original source to a laughable degree, which I tend to want redone.
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Posted 2/22/14
Reboots done right are great.
They don't have to follow the original exactly,i think they should tie up some loose end left in even some of the best anime series when they redo them.
Posted 2/22/14 , edited 2/22/14
Really all depends on the quality of the reboot.

When done well, like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - they are very enjoyable and become an instant classic.

When done not so well, like the Star Wars Prequels (and I don't hate them), then they become prone to ridicule and criticism.

If you're sure you can make a good reboot, then go ahead. Don't butcher a reboot by veering off course, or changing the original story (if there is one).
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Series5Ranger wrote:

It depends

-Does the reboot say anything new about the show / series / characters? Is it going to be recognizable / adopted by fans of the older show?

-Look at Yamato: 2199 as an example of a reboot done right.. Every plot point from the original is kept in some form or another, but the story surrounding that plot point was altered to make it fit within the the new storyline. (For example, in the original, the Mutiny and Yuki's kidnapping happen in the same episode, in 2199 The mutiny happens a lot earlier, and Yuki gets kidnapped during the battle of the Rainbow Galaxy)

-Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 is an example that I particularly didn't care for, but ?I still enjoyed it. The problem here is, the characters at their core are substantially different, with Sylia being the most altered out of the bunch, and it really detracted from my enjoyment of the show.
Nigel was totally unnecessary addition and really didn't bring anything to the table except making Sylia look subservient. (In the original OVAs she was the developer of the hard suits based on her father's designs, In 2040 Nigel was)


-ufotable's Fate / Stay Night remake will be interesting to see how it plays out and looking forward to it.


Can ufotables FSN fallows a diffrent story track so can it be called a reboot?

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uncletim wrote:


Series5Ranger wrote:

It depends

-Does the reboot say anything new about the show / series / characters? Is it going to be recognizable / adopted by fans of the older show?

-Look at Yamato: 2199 as an example of a reboot done right.. Every plot point from the original is kept in some form or another, but the story surrounding that plot point was altered to make it fit within the the new storyline. (For example, in the original, the Mutiny and Yuki's kidnapping happen in the same episode, in 2199 The mutiny happens a lot earlier, and Yuki gets kidnapped during the battle of the Rainbow Galaxy)

-Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 is an example that I particularly didn't care for, but ?I still enjoyed it. The problem here is, the characters at their core are substantially different, with Sylia being the most altered out of the bunch, and it really detracted from my enjoyment of the show.
Nigel was totally unnecessary addition and really didn't bring anything to the table except making Sylia look subservient. (In the original OVAs she was the developer of the hard suits based on her father's designs, In 2040 Nigel was)


-ufotable's Fate / Stay Night remake will be interesting to see how it plays out and looking forward to it.


Can ufotables FSN fallows a diffrent story track so can it be called a reboot?



Actually it is following a unique route (Whatever that means) so it's not exactly Fate, Unlimited Blade works, or Heaven's Feel. Though thematically it should hew close to the Fate route in the visual novel. You could argue either way on whether it's a reboot or not.

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Really all depends on the quality of the reboot.

When done well, like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - they are very enjoyable and become an instant classic.

When done not so well, like the Star Wars Prequels (and I don't hate them), then they become prone to ridicule and criticism.

If you're sure you can make a good reboot, then go ahead. Don't butcher a reboot by veering off course, or changing the original story (if there is one).


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thewanderingforce wrote:

So, Sonic Boom was officially announced a while ago, and it got me thinking about reboots (even though Boom most likely won't really count as an actual reboot, unless the main series somehow does poorly). There's also that new Fairy Tail reboot, the rumored Sailor Moon reboot, and the new RoboCop movie. It seems like opinions on reboots tend to vary from "Wow, that sounds like a nice idea" to "No, there's nothing wrong, don't change anything". My opinions tend to vary depending on the type of reboot and what series it's rebooting. If it's an in-name only type of deal, then I feel you'd might as well make it a new IP. However, if it's one that reimagines the series in ways that are familiar, yet ultimately unique and allow it to try things it never could before, I think it's a good way to introduce new fans to a series while satisfying old ones. What do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of reboots?


First: Fairy Tail isn't going to be a reboot, it's continuing where the Anime left off. At least from everything I have heard and seen. so not a reboot, just a continuation with updated visuals by the same cast and everything.

Second:


SoldierSangria wrote:

Really all depends on the quality of the reboot.

When done well, like Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - they are very enjoyable and become an instant classic.

When done not so well, like the Star Wars Prequels (and I don't hate them), then they become prone to ridicule and criticism.

If you're sure you can make a good reboot, then go ahead. Don't butcher a reboot by veering off course, or changing the original story (if there is one).


Pretty much all of this.

Make something good? Good for you.
Make something bad? Prepare being made a laughing stock.

Sadly you won't know until it is made if it is good or bad.

I mean how many Iron Mans, Supermans, Batmans, and etc movies are out there for instance? Some are good, some are awful.

Also speaking of remakes... the new RoboCop was pretty awesome, and the new Godzilla looks like it will be great.
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The Hollywood reboot phenomena has always been around, some movies that we like to think of as classics, such as "Scarface," and "The Thing," are actually reboots of earlier movies made in the 60's. So not all reboots are bad, as far as Robocop goes, when you heard about the new movie, which by the way was not bad at all, did you get nostalgic and watch the old one? When was the last time you watched, had you even thought about it in years? I feel the same way about Evil Dead, the remake was amazing, and is breathing new life into the old series, they are now seriously going to move ahead on an "Army of Darkness" sequel that will star Bruce Cambell because of that movie.
Some remakes are off the mark though, Total Recall for example, was just bad, and did the original no justice at all.

On to the superhero films. Schumacher almost singlehandedly killed the Batman franchise, and Spider-Man 3 was a joke. Both series needed fresh new talent and the reboots did them justice in my opinion.

The Fantastic Four reboot... oh my, Johnny Storm is going to be black... The actor playing him when asked about the uproar of the fandom was quoted as saying, "They will watch it anyway..." No sir I will not, I'm not a movie snob, but with rumors flying around that Dr. Doom may also be changed, to a woman... no, no sir, I will not be spending money on that turd.
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Posted 2/22/14 , edited 2/22/14
It really depends. I think it's important to ask a few questions first.

'Will what worked all those years ago still feel right in the modern day?' like with the Godzilla reboot, it's similar to a gritty survival film, and those are doing well these days so it works. Now yes I get the very old ones like the first were about the nukes and such but still, the concept of survival is there and something that is thriving these days.

Also, you need to ask 'does it need a reboot?' Devil May Cry's reboot was really weird because it was only a few years since the fourth installment had come out, they could have easily made a fifth to carry on the original story.

Finally, can it stand well on its own? If you go in and are expecting to cash in on nostalgia alone then you'll probably fail as opposed to making the product stand as legitimately good on its own.

Reboots are certainly a risky move, though. It's hard to strike right in a way that will entertain new fans, but not to the point the old ones are turned away and think that too much was changed. Balance is often harder to achieve than people initially realise.

But then you have to ask are the fans sort of to blame too? What I want to know from others is, and I know it's a question on a question topic but still: 'when you go to see/play a reboot do you go in expecting nothing, or expecting it to match up to the older creation and please you completely'?

I think the mindset is very important as well, and going in expecting it to be exactly like the predecessor is usually a bad idea because, if you want to see something exactly like the old one, you can just watch the old one.

In the end the most important thing to remember is, no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to please everyone. Don't bother trying because that's usually how you end up finding yourself with an absolute mess of a creation.

-A guy with literally no experience in film work/game/product development whatsoever.
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