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To me, as soon as an animation adopts a certain overall art style that can be identified as Japanese animation styling, it becomes anime. It's a style... I won't go over it again as it is already being addressed by another thread. This post is for informational purposes. [edit: the above means "This is not a debate thread. Some people do not know about these titles and I'm showing stuff people might not know existed"]

American

The Last Unicorn (1982): Although it wasn't animated by an American studio, the story was by Peter S. Beagle, who adapted his own novel of the same name to the screenplay. The animation was done by Topcraft, which core members went on to form Studio Ghibli. I remember crying when I saw it in the 80s

Sin: The Movie: Funded and produced by the American company ADV. The original voice acting were English voices, while the Japanese version had Japanese dub. The rest was a Japanese production. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=497

Then there's RWBY which aired on Cruchyroll.

Animatrix- While largely a Japanese production, there were American writers and producers, including the Wachowski brothers.

Korean

I was first introduced to the world of Korean anime via Shin Angyo Onshi ( Blade of the Phantom Master ) http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5182 which featured a very cool bullet-time fighting sequence. A collaboration between one Japanese and one Korean animation studios, the film was simultaneously released in Japan and Korea.

Wonderful Days (Sky Blue) - done by South Korean studio



There are probably some more hidden on this page http://dokebiclub.blogspot.com/2008/12/korean-animation.html

Chinese

Before I go into Chinese anime, I want to acknowledge that yes, it's true that in the past Chinese did a whole lot of copying (so did Korean studios, if you just do a bit of googling ...hint, Batman / Wonder Woman / Matzinger). However, it is undeniable that there is also plenty of talent in that country. With Chinese studios having done contract work for Japanese companies for years just as Korean studios have (I see a lot of them in various anime credits... I notice more probably because I'm Chinese) critical mass bound to happen sooner or later and more original stuff comes out.

Qin's Moon : Martial arts fantasy, a genre often found in Chinese novels, comic books, and TV drama serials. It's cool to see a Chinese anime doing it. I own some DVDs of this series, it's pretty darn cool.

Qin's Moon MV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1HheL035bk

弦月夢影 (rough translation "Crescent Moon Dream Shadow")
A production by a small private studio Damuoguo that was supposed to be an OVA, but (thankfully?) the company ran out of money before the project could be finished. The team later reformed as Seven Stones studio.

You can clearly see where it stylistically "borrows" from CLAMP's X Movie, among others. It's actually not too bad if you don't recognize all that, but I do and it's glaring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lYWGyx54s

Kamon (Tale of the Seven Realms)

Seven Stone's first project for a Chinese corporation, which is a traditional fantasy title. It looks like their organization has improved quite a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae37JbQ2oxE

Combat Armor

Seven Stone's second project under its contract to the same Chinese company (I hope it is, because I want to see it finished), a science fiction title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxpynAMYik

The summary on Youtube is wrong (It's not exactly "China fighting US"), so here's a brief translation of the text flash by me:

Year 2045
The world is under the shadow of a new war in the form of mercenary combat
because of the discovery of the new antimatter-infused mineral "ND" in deep ocean
The energy corporation "UI" has gain monopoly over this resource
and created so-called AWT, a new generation human-shaped combat armor
forming a private mercenary organization "WINGS",
wrecking havoc all over the world.
It repeatedly attacked multiple nation's military bases around the world
creating a serious threat to the regional security of many countries

p.s. I found one of the character's facial expressions way overdone... I suppose subtlety and timing has to be learned too. It's a learning curve.

魁拔 (Japanese: Kaibatsu, Chinese: Kuiba) - done in 2011 by VASOON Animation, a studio in Beijing. Looks pretty impressive, the sequel to this movie was already in Chinese theaters last year. (uhh where can I get a copy of both of the movies??? I want to watch!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fCajBpYiE

There are animation outside Japan that are closely linked to anime stylistically (Baidu page of CMDS flat-out stated "Japanese animation art styling" http://baike.baidu.com/view/4173643.htm ) . There are non-Japanese anime if people are looking for them.
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NANI KORE?

A good story goes a long way, the animation is just a bonus.
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Anime is not an art style. There are multiple art styles in anime so to call all of anime an art style doesn't work.
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"It's a style... I won't go over it again"
Ooooh another person who thinks what he says is what everyone has to think.
NO, if I don't want to call RWBY for anime, I won't just because you told me to.


I'm not japanese, so I won't call everything that is a cartoon for anime.
I don't care that the japanese call everything cartoony for anime ^

Haven't we discussed this dumb topic enough now?
Some people don't want to call RWBY for anime, some do. Get over it already. Even I have.


MegaMoto_ wrote:

Anime is not an art style. There are multiple art styles in anime so to call all of anime an art style doesn't work.


This is true.
I've watched a few animes that was made with clay and stop-motion. Made in Japan, by some messed up guy :P
I'd link to one of them, but it's just too messed up and bloody for this forum
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MegaMoto_ wrote:

Anime is not an art style. There are multiple art styles in anime so to call all of anime an art style doesn't work.


Then how about "heavily influenced by Japanese animation?" In the case of Crescent Moon Dream Shadow, that might be giving it too much credit if you know what I mean.


Des85 wrote:

"It's a style... I won't go over it again"
Ooooh another person who thinks what he says is what everyone has to think.
NO, if I don't want to call RWBY for anime, I won't just because you told me to.



Then simply don't. I'm saying I'm not going over that debate but is providing information (that's what I wrote). You can think whatever you want. Some people don't know that the above titles exist. Again, information only.



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Anime starting in Vietnam too
Pretty similar to Chinese though
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ChibiNighty wrote:

Anime starting in Vietnam too
Pretty similar to Chinese though


Could you give me some links to information? Thanks.
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nanikore2 wrote:


ChibiNighty wrote:

Anime starting in Vietnam too
Pretty similar to Chinese though


Could you give me some links to information? Thanks.


I'll try to find them, was on a vacation to Vietnam and surprisingly saw lots of anime.
You could probably find it if you searched up Ho Chi Minh city Anime or Hanoi anime in Vietnam
I'll see if I can dig anything up though
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Why don't we just call everything cartoons?
Seeing as that's what it is
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anime is not Cartoons!! RAR! don't you dare sully my great art with that word for american garbage RAR! (/Mockery)
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I neither agree nor disagree.

I normally only watch Japanese animation myself since its usually more diversified also that is what the Japanese focus most of their what I call "story talent" on. I watch more korean dramas than I do their animation (not counting Janimation drawn by Koreans, which is quite a lot) and I watch more American movies and television dramas than I do american animation because it is geared towards kids normally and is not using the best source material, but rather normally just makes the source material up.

The way I see it:
American "story talent" is focused on:
Live action, Books. i.e. Most high profile/popular stuff comes from these sources.

Korean "story talent" is focused on:
Live action, Books. i.e. Most high profile/popular stuff comes from these sources.

Japanese "story talent" is focused on:
Animation, Books, manga(could be considered book though depending on subject material). i.e. Most high profile/popular stuff comes from these sources. I've seen a lot of live action Jdramas, but they normally don't compete very well against Kdramas and especially ADramas.

I hope I was able to make sense of my viewpoint, thanks for reading if you got this far.
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In general I think your analysis is spot on.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

anime is not Cartoons!! RAR! don't you dare sully my great art with that word for american garbage RAR! (/Mockery)


There are plenty of crappy animes out there, but I'm still going to call them anime... and not because of their quality. It's a matter of categorizing (yes I did see the mockery tag)

The way I see it, if we don't make any distinction at all then people could start posting discussions about any animation into the "anime" forum (Disney titles, et cetera) whether they have anything to do with Japanese animation whatsoever, stylistically or otherwise. So far I don't see any discussions about e.g. Dora the Explorer or Beavis & Butthead, so there is some kind of practical distinction (good ole pragmatic viewpoint) even if there's some "it's the principle of the thing darn it" navel-gazing non-distinction. (/slight snark)



Des85 wrote:

Why don't we just call everything cartoons?
Seeing as that's what it is :P


I'm not going to call Gumby a "cartoon" any more than some Japanese clay thing "anime"

...but if you want to call Gumby a cartoon, then whatever floats your boat
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lol saying its not a debate thread is not going to work the hipsters are gonna come flaming soon enough i agree with you tho i dont care where it was made if its anime its anime
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The animation styles of different countries are far more vast than simply "art style" so much as cultural values and story telling in general.

Japanese Animation focuses on the same thing as Japanese Video Games, Overarching Stories and Visuals. Japanese companies are famous for re-writing their engines for every single game sequel, spending tons of cash for slight upgrades. While in America, we make several sequels, sometimes a decade worth of games out of the same engine.

In animation, Japan places values on it's action. The stories tend to be grand and theatrical, good vs evil. The conversations tend to be exposition filled time-wasters. Take Gainax's original Neon Genesis Evangelion. You can't go an episode without at least 10 Minutes devoted to talking. Worse off, they rarely even animate the mouths! It's always from-behind back of the head shots, long distance view so you can't see their faces, or mouth covering poses(Gendo-pose covers the mouth) I like to believe Rei never talked because they did't have the budget to animate it.

The fight scenes however? Glorious animation that stands the test of time. To this day, the fight scenes in NGE are praised for their animation.

Now take a look at American animation. You don't see a much great combat eh? You have some special cases like Avatar, but it's mostly just talking.
And by GOD, the talking. American culture places far more emphasis on their conversations, taking a more cinematic and less theatrics approach. Watch one episode of Courage the Cowardly Dog, Edd, Edd,and Eddy, Avatar, Sponge Bob, ANYTHING. They're quite lively with their conversations right? The faces are animated, lively, crazy. Look at it and tell me you don't see how different the animation is handled!

You should try the Anime "Kingdom" from Studio Perriot. The early animation has a heavy focus on crappy-CGI to save money, and by god was it out of place. I'm talking 3D-CGI Animation used for characters here, very similar to the new Berserk movies, but with a crap budget. The CGI looks far far worse when animated than in a screen shot, else I'd post one to you. Hulu does have the episodes if you're up to watch the opening one.THAT style of animation looks nothing like an Anime, and the Chinese setting doesn't help it's case. But the story itself is undeniably Japanese in it's cultural values and focus. With all that "I"ma be the greatest" it shouts about.
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