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Posted 9/12/15

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For the fucking love of hamburgers.


I don't understand that comment, please elaborate.

Just expressing consternation. How your evening going?


Where to begin...

It's 4:45 in the morning in Paris and I really should be going to sleep, and because I'm traveling I get to miss going to Love Live School Idol Festival Movie which just happens to be showing in a California theater close to my home. Now I also get to read in the CR SIF thread about how everyone is getting their LL movie goodies from the theater in addition to watch the movie of course... provided that I don't see any movie spoilers.

Not to mention it's raining here so I'm stuck in the apartment thinking ABOUT the above, while typing on a tiny bluetooth keyboard and squinting at a tiny Android tablet. It's really not fun to be me right now, but I'll live.

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nanikore2 wrote:

Where to begin...

It's 4:45 in the morning in Paris and I really should be going to sleep, and because I'm traveling I get to miss going to Love Live School Idol Festival Movie which just happens to be showing in a California theater close to my home. Now I also get to read in the CR SIF thread about how everyone is getting their LL movie goodies from the theater in addition to watch the movie of course... provided that I don't see any movie spoilers.

Not to mention it's raining here so I'm stuck in the apartment thinking ABOUT the above, while typing on a tiny bluetooth keyboard and squinting at a tiny Android tablet. It's really not fun to be me right now, but I'll live.

You?

Paris. Sorry you're missing LL though.

I've fetched groceries and watched some Trigun. If life's an adventure today was a filler episode.

Hope you get some rest! Although I should take my own advice on that score more often.
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Posted 9/13/15

nanikore2 wrote:

I am revisiting this thread because of the following reason:

After trying to adopt your way of viewing what an anime is, I have ultimately found the viewpoint to be impractical. It simply does not stand to practice.

According to the "cultural definition" of anime, a work such as SiN couldn't be considered an anime since it ostensibly follows some kind of American sensibility (it being a story by Americans) even though the animation was done by a Japanese animation studio.

...Neither could the anime series Winter Sonata, because Winter Sonata was originally a Korean drama serial.

...Neither could the anime series Return of Condor Heroes, because the original material was a Chinese martial arts fantasy novel.

...Neither could this following anime http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-876411/chu-feng-bee-tv-anime?pg=0 (better have the production company change that offending poster of theirs because it says A NI ME , clear as day).

Sorry but your theory, while sounded good is not workable in practice and thus practically false. I am returning to my previous standpoint.


I like continuing conversations such as this, despite how long ago it was.

We seem to misunderstand each other. The distinction of what an "Anime" is...is not important. The Japanese word Anime is used to distinguish Animated cinema from LIve-Action Cinema. The difference between animated pictures and live actors. That's what the word exists for.
It's classification exists to be used as a distinguishes. What's an Anime? It depends on what isn't an anime.


Now, looking at it through a cultural lens.... that's another identifier. That's all it is...it's just a tool. Instead of replacing your old tools...just add this on to your wonderful Toolbox of analytical skills.

There are a lot ways a story can be told.
Miyazaki tends to be more cultural, some of his movies focusing specifically on huge cultural events within his life. Such as Grave of Fireflies.

Then you have Shinichiro Watanabe, an Anime Director who is heavily influenced by Western Culture, and far less his own. His works include the famed Cowboy Bebop and Kids on the Slope. More importantly, Samurai Champloo, a show that blurs the line between the two cultures to the point of ridicule. And Space Dandy, a show that has more in common with American Dad than it does with most other Anime. I don't even count it as an Anime, it's that culturally different.


I feel that instead of viewing this culturally, you're simply comparing the cultural view to your own definition.
Winter Sonata is from Korea......and you know what? Japanese culture and Korean culture are so damn similar, they can't tell the difference. The difference between California and Texas is bigger, that's how similar they are. Culturally, Winter Sonata is an anime.

Return of Condor Heroes...that's rather up in the air. The cultural tool of deciding whether or not it's Anime isn't useful here. SO you put that tool into the toolbox, and you take out something else.



Shit is complicated, don't limit yourself to one tool. If you throw away your hammer because it can't hammer in a screw....you're going to be missing something when you next try to hammer a nail.
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oh god, memories with The Last Unicorn, my sister LOVED that movie when we were children, it was one of those that she could not get enough of and would watch over and over!
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I feel that instead of viewing this culturally, you're simply comparing the cultural view to your own definition.
Winter Sonata is from Korea......and you know what? Japanese culture and Korean culture are so damn similar, they can't tell the difference. The difference between California and Texas is bigger, that's how similar they are. Culturally, Winter Sonata is an anime.

Return of Condor Heroes...that's rather up in the air. The cultural tool of deciding whether or not it's Anime isn't useful here. SO you put that tool into the toolbox, and you take out something else.



Shit is complicated, don't limit yourself to one tool. If you throw away your hammer because it can't hammer in a screw....you're going to be missing something when you next try to hammer a nail.


It wasn't working back then and it's still not working now.

Winter Sonata is from a K-drama, embedded with Korean sensibilities. You can't just say "well Korean and Japanese cultures are so darn similar" and then leave it at that because first it's a gross simplification and second it's just plain false.

Return of Condor Heroes is from a Chinese martial arts fantasy epic novel. Once again you can't just toss that into the similarity bin. That methodology you described doesn't work.
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I think that when you're trying to draw a line between This and Not This, how you draw that line (and, actually, whether you should draw a line at all) needs to depend on why you're drawing that line.

I think that with this situation in particular, anywhere you draw that line, it's not going to work. You're going to end up with enough pieces on one side that no one would have put there if it weren't for some arbitrary definition.
Trying to define culture is also a problem when so many Japanese artists and writers have grown up on Western media, and now there's a new generation of Western artists and writers who have grown up on anime - not to mention plenty of people who have lived in both places. Throw other Asian cultures into the mix, and all the similarities and differences between them, and the similarities various individual Asian and Western cultures may share that others don't, and there's really no way to make a definition that really means anything based on "culture".

Besides, what's the point? How would such a definition be practical or necessary?
Would you imply that "anime fans" necessarily would prefer Series A over Series B if A fits the definition and B doesn't?

There's so much diversity of story and style and themes in anime - even if you're just looking at 100% Japanese TV anime made for Japanese TV and disc sales to the otaku market, with openings and endings by the J-Pop artists we can all name, starring the seiyuu we can all name, animated by the studios we can all name, etc. Even if you just look at Crunchyroll's catalog of anime. There's more variety there than in basically any other media. There are more interesting, innovative things going on in anime than in all other media put together. Everything else is practically stagnant. Which is why I think the rest of the world is going to discover anime, because they need it.
(Yes, books throughout history have probably had as much variety, but nowadays, when 90% of what gets published are dystopian Hunger Games knockoffs? Anime has more going on.)

Anyway, in that atmosphere, you can't make a definition of anime, because there's no practical purpose to doing so, except in business - e.g. Crunchyroll is in the anime business, which means they've focused on making connections in those studios, with those producers, familiarized themselves with the release schedules and the animation process and what those producers expect from an international licensor, found translators that know how to translate these types of shows, etc.
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