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Having looked over the info from Boruma on the races- it says that MOST half-Alv are human but clearly not all are half-human BUT they have a symbol on their tongue (which we have yet to see). Would Ragan have that symbol? Would the tattoo-people (probably got it wrong but their stats are more in line with the Alv I think) be the "descendants" of the "true" Alv race? Is Regan (with the symbol of the Alv in the opening credits) one of the last Alv in existence, here to watch over "what happens to the world"?
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Posted 9/10/14 , edited 9/11/14
Hey Decker423 no need to apologise I'm always curious as to which theories are valid

I looked over the info posted by Boruma as well, the Race of Ritual that's shrouded in mystery sounds like it may be the remnants of the Alvs that you surmised went into hiding most likely on the island on Mistal Lake and used their magic to cloak their whereabouts. It would be difficult to tell who was an Alv due to the Rune being on their tongue, the adventures do not have this info and possibly the POL may not even know about this, changing their appearance in minor ways would be simple for a race with high magical ability anyway.

Regan might be a pure Alv in disguise, I seem to remember his level being 28 could be fake to hide his true strength? He told Shiroe he was a magical scientist, with his knowledge of class level magic,theoretical explanation on the psyche, anima and, spirit, and how the Demi-humans arose due to the abundance of souls/spirit in the world. He also has in-depth knowledge in information on the history of the world from the POL point of view and probably has more knowledge than any Noble or POL around.
As for him being trustworthy, I think he has so far been telling the truth but I agree that he wished to see if Shiroe was capable of creating world class magic I agree with decker423 that he appears sincere in joining with Shiroe and his party to go West. This may as you say be for his own interests or for the political interests of the Alv. Regan maybe an Alv observer or spy from The Mistal Lake Island
I haven't looked back to check yet but I'm 80% positive that the symbols that obscure the faces of the Luquenje is the same symbol behind Regan in the opening credits

As for Nureha, the guild master of Plant Hwyaden, I must admit I'm not sure about her she seems have come across as ??BAD! Girl in the last episode!
I do not think her magic is world class as its just sophisticated ultimate disguise magic unlike Shiroe's resurrection of POL and changing their very make-up/being magic! Which is truly World Class Magic!
Okay you could pretend to be someone super important with ultimate disguise magic and cause chaos and mayhem in their image but unless you could emulate their character completely you'd be rumbled pretty quickly ( think Raven from X-men her evil doings went fine n dandy till she opened her mouth and made a boo-boo)
Regan mentioned he sensed powerful magic in the west but he did not describe it as world class only powerful,

In Ep21 09:10 Regan explains powerful magic used in the Westlande Empire most likely the city of Minami.
He also informs Shiroe that the Izumo Knights were involved in The Demon Festival of Suzaku Gate.
Then where were the Izumo Knights on The Return of The Goblin King?
Their nowhere to be found in the East they've vanished without a trace, no So Long and Thanks For All The Fish or even a note!
Maybe the leaders of Minami have used their ultimate disguise magic to impersonate the Izumo Knights
insinuating that they have complete control over the Izumo Knights thus allowing them domination over the Nobles of the West and the POL

Just my theory no doubt I'll be proven wrong

http://youtu.be/ViftZTfRSt8
The words Goblin King ALWAYS remind me of David Bowie in this awesome film! SPECTACULAR!
As its PG13 here I hope the white leggings aren't featured!




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F#$^%#$%#!!! Lost a long post. Here it is:


1- Regan has knowledge of how to make a "bag of holding", an item that appears to be no longer available. It's a lvl 45 item, I'd guess it'd take more than 45 levels to figure out how to make something.
2- Is the ability to create new magic the same as creating magic items?
3- The Alv symbol is the same- Regan has it in opening credits. The symbol is associated with the Alv when Regan goes over the past with the Alv. The Luquenje (bent/broken) princesses have the same Alv symbol. Same symbol.
4- Regan claims to know where the Izumo knights are and HAS NOT told the Eastal Alliance leaders where they are.
5- Regan has knowledge of "events"- Return of the Goblin King", the "Demon Gate" in the west.
6- Regan is a self-declared "magical scientist". He described (but didn't NAME) the Alv as magical scientists.
7- Regan can explain the concept of world fraction, BIG theories, sense world class distance from distances, etc. He knows stuff.
8- The alv symbol is associated with Regan (always) in the opening credits.

If Regan isn't part Alv then he is surely the most POWERFUL (be it magic, history, lore, etc.) NPC to date. The Alv symbol and some of the above statements have been shown to the world as "true". Are they true? Don't know but there is too much going on with this one guy. From day 1 of the game, where he claims to come from (island on Mistal Lake) has always been there as background. Was this a seed of the world created from day one?
The fact that he doesn't share all of his cards and I do think he deliberately told Shiroe about World Fraction was to see if someone else could do it.

9- The female enchanter in the end can apparently travel wherever with no problem. She admits to working on the magic teleport gates.
10- Information Control Spell (new world class magic)- this isn't just illusion. This is clearly blocking information in the world from being spread. Without personal contacts willing to talk, Shiroe would have known nothing of events in the west but somehow a NPC, Regan, knows stuff. Not being contradictiory but just think of those sentences.
11- From the female enchanter in #9 & #10, she KNEW DETAILS of Shiroe's "new" world-class magic. That's information. She wasn't there but she KNOWS. We can safely assume that she created the other world magic "Information Control" (just think of those 2 words...) spell. She can travel throughout the land via the teleport gates. Controlling information is important in THIS (our) world, imagine one of fantasy & magic...with competitors, NPCs, monsters, etc.

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New Theory

When Regan talks of the Age of Legends (pictures of airplanes, skyscrapers, etc.) AND we see the ruins of highways, cars, etc.- could he be talking about OUR world and just not know it? It sounds like OUR world.
Are the adventurers somehow from the far past. The losing of memories takes away the memories of their "old world". Coincidence?
If this is true, what is the connection between "Elder Tales" (the MMORPG) and the new world? Were the adventurers teleported in "real life" far into the future? Were the Alv actually the last "modern" humans with knowledge (computer programming/world creation skills)??

Wild theory.
Posted 9/26/14 , edited 9/26/14
Wow, that is wild but awesome lol. It would be cool if it were actually real. But isn't the way they die (instead of dying completely they slowly lose their memories) suggest not?

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I think that the "ultimate death" of an adventurer is when all memories of their "old" or "home" world are gone and thus they are fully immersed into the "game world" of Log Horizon. That way they are "lost", if they could go back to Japan it would be a totally different world- no memories, practical skills, etc. They are using their knowledge of the modern world to build steam engines, etc.
This is why younger adventurers are more susceptible to this. 1- fewer memories of the "real world" than someone in their 30s or 40s. 2- They never saw the NPCs as "NPC"s, they've always seen them as people whereas the older adventurers remember "the game" before the apocalypse.
Posted 9/27/14 , edited 9/29/14



Oooooooh I get it!

I was about to say, "But wouldn't Log Horizon still be fake after all in Japan?"

But you're suggesting to the 'real world' maybe it is fake, but they don't know that it's just as real as their world. Oh gosh that's so cool! I'm geeking out. XD

Plus, by your evidence, that is the most 'unrealistic' Log Horizon could possibly get- people from the real world turning 'fake'. What even constitutes fake anymore when to the younger adventurers it's very real?
Can younger generations get so immersed into the game that the 'real world' Japan suddenly seems fake and at best a legend?

Would you consider that "ultimate life" ? :3

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It would be interesting to see the magna for LH go on. What I wander is that if some adventurers

It would be interesting to see the magna for LH go on. What I wander is that if some adventurers decide to stay in LH & fully immerse themselves in the world. Would they get married? I'm assuming that from what I've seen that any physical activity is "real" therefore the adult ones too. I'd like to see if Crusty & Princess Lenessia (?) fall in love, get married but then to see if they could have kids. Would the kid be a hybrid, the "true" result of Armageddon World Fraction?
Adventurers losing their memories of the old world to me imply that it's fully possible to be totally immersed in LH where they think that the LH world is their own (especially the kids), not the "real" world that they came from. Remember that Tohya & Minori have died once, probably other younger adventurers as well, thus speeding up the process of full integration with LH. Once fully immersed would they have "full" lives? By this I mean love, adult/romance relationships & pregnancy?
I say this because the world fraction created the progenitors & Republic Guards (?- the NPCs who maintain civility in no fight zones but indicated they reached self-awareness in the last episode of season 1) and adventurers. The NPCs in the game supposedly (though we understand this to be the game's background story) created the races of Rune, Wolf-men, Cat-men, Fox-men, etc.
Just thinking.
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Episode 11, "An Invitation from Eastal"

The Palace of Eternal Ice, the castle where the Council adventurers go to meet the nobles of the Free Eastal Cities Alliance (2 hours south of Akihabara, in what was/is? southern Tokyo). It was created by the Alvs. The eternal ice as foundation was specifically built by them. Given this and what we know of Regan and what I think is at the very least, the top structure (outline, whatever you call it) of a transport gate, would it be safe to think/guess that the Alvs created the transportation gates and that the transportation gates, which happen to be at the best of our knowledge, in all of the "adventurer cities", would this indicate that the cities used as "homes" by the adventurers were at one point cities of the Alv?

Given the # of People of the Land cities vs. "Adventurer" cities this would make sense. Given that the Palace of Eternal Ice was built by Alv & potentially have a teleportation gate in Regan's library/section, this makes sense.

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Conversations between me & 01shula about 1st 2 episodes for Log Horizon, please check it out & enjoy/respond:


My answers are in blue.

I hope all is well with you. I enjoyed your email and will break it down if you don't mind. I'll try to do my font in blue.

> Hi how are you. I've watched the first 2 Eps now , I thought they were excellent its shaping up to be as good as the 1st season
> How did you find them?

I agree & have seen both Eps, I think 1st Ep will set tone for season 2.

> A lot of people are moaning about the change in style but I think the change is not overly drastic and I find the plot remains interesting and engaging.

I agree, I prefer the old anime style but will not bitch or groan about differences in new style. Agree with you on plot & interesting aspects.


> It's torture having to wait another week for the next Ep though

I know, I'm back to waking up @ 0730 to watch latest episode, again...


> The opening has a lot of hints in it, you can see Sojiro and Akatsuki fighting a man with long greyish hair and he appears to be wearing a royal guard suit of armour (blue glowing lights on armour) , he also appears in Ep1 polishing the empty suits of royal guard armour and he tuns up again wearing a Santa claus cape while glaring @ Akatsuki in Ep2 @ 2020.

I agree wtih you, I didn't catch the 2nd guy in season 2, I thought they were POL but perhaps they're Clan Kunie? Also, in opening credits all Royal Guard are in formation facing the wall of akhibara


> Could he be 1 of the missing Izumo knights or a southern spy


With that man I want to say Clan Kunie but Akihabara has been fully penetrated by spies from the south.

> Also in the opening credits right at the start there are 2 Shiroes they look a bit different I'm not sure what it means @ first I thought it was to represent his dark side and light side but I'm not so sure now, 1 version appears a bit scruffy and their outfits are slightly different (talking about scruffy Regan really needs a bath and a change of clothes)
> There's also a young boy in the opening credits that looks like Shiro but younger and slightly different hair

I don't know if we're going to get back to Shiroe's past & if this has bearing on how he views people & the world now. Ep. 1 shows "modern day" Tokyo.

> Kinjou is a half Alv @ level 50 so, it seems they fled and hid themselves when Alvs were being prosecuted

His clas is Percusor. He may not be THE leader of the clan but he's a top dog. I think he went to the bottom of the dungeon and placed extra NPC monsters to defend the gold.


> Why does Shiroe need 80trillion gold? That would make 10 million seem like a drop in the ocean compared to trillions The round table have the Cathedral, Guild building and Trade building as well as some other places.

All of those bldgs. & the servies of the city- Royal Guard, upkeep of bank & bldgs., keeping monsters out of the city per se require 10 million a month. That's for every building & service. Getting 70 trillion gold would set the city up for life if not a few decades AND allow the purchase of other cathedrals & guild halls in ohter cities- my strategic move to shut down or at least confine Plant Hwayden. The gold drop is much lower in the game than xp or items drop.



> I think he's needs to buy something very expensive to help protect Akihabara
> I wonder why the ancient treaty was established I think there must have been a good reason perhaps it could disrupt the economy

I wonder myself if "the treaty" isn't the original game programming. I don't know. It has a direct relationship on supply & demand in the world


> Is it the Kunie clan that takes money for buildings / areas purchased?
> The Kunie clan control the banks flow of money, the royal guard and barriers around the cities,
> Does the Kunie clan have access to the golden whirlpool ? Does it generate a never ending supply?

To both questions, yes.


> A lot of new characters and hints can be seen in the opening credits
> I think I have more questions at the moment
> I could sit and speculate about this show for ages it's definitely my favourite anime.

I hear & agree with you totally. That's why I wish more people would post ideas in the forums for Log Horizon group, we can talk & think, so much out there to think about.

> =^_^=
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> Another thing I'd like to know is In the adventurers world a day is 24hrs
> In comparison an Elder Tales day is equal to 2hrs if the adventures have been trapped somewhere (I don't think they've time travelled into the future because elves, cat people, dwarves etc would have to evolve) how do they perceive time and if they do get back home will they have aged according to Elder Tale time?
>

That I don't know. Assuming this started in spring or summer & it's now Xmas, 6 months, 30 days roughly per month so 180 days, 180 deivided by 24 equals 7.5. Wrong 180 times 24 equals 4320 hours. 180 days = 90 hours so over 4 days of "real life"? Don't know. Perhaps it'll be like SAO OR they've been transported (literally) to Elder Tales. The last is my vote.



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In the comic book it was established they have indeed been transported to Elder Tale. Not to mention World Fraction. Regan said that WF teleported everyone to Elder Tale's realm and it happened four or five times before. Also one thing I'm dying to know is: Who made Elder Tale into a game? And were they the one to cast World Fraction? Also is it me or the bard that's in love with the NPC/Adventurer in a band in the opening?
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I wonder: is World Fraction per se responsible for the creation of the game Elder Tales?

2. Is the "treaty" a result of the Luquenje?
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Its possible.... But I think its more complicated then a video game a side effect of a mass teleportation spell. I don't know what to think about the treaty. Also I don't consider Kunie Clan players.
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decker423 wrote:


I wonder: is World Fraction per se responsible for the creation of the game Elder Tales?

2. Is the "treaty" a result of the Luquenje?


I think the game was made by game developers, and then something happened --World Fraction-- that made everyone playing at the time stuck in the game.

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Good theory. Also, I checked what 01shula said, the guy who passes Akatsuki outside the weapons shop is the same guy polishing the Repubican Guards (the NPCs who keep the cities "safe"). I would say he's a member of the Kunie Clan. If you remember in season 1, Akatsuki also had a "bad vibe" when passing the leader of Plant Hwyaden when she was disguised as a story teller during their fall/autumn festival (can't remember the name). I think this means that higher level or experienced adventurers can "sense" powerful NPCs (POL or disguised adventurers) when very close to them even if they don't know the full story. Clan Kunie taking care of all "security forces" (the guards, magic wards to keep monsters out of cities, magic to detect adventurer vs. adventurer violence in cities- see Naotsugu & Akatsuki during the festival over the food stamp cards...) of the cities. If these guys were "out and about" earlier after the Apocalypse, wouldn't powerful adventurers have noticed before? Is it that Clan Kunie "beefing up" it's own forces in the cities?
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