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Goku is a bad character
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That's right, you heard me.
I think Goku is a shitty character and here's why.

For reference, I will mention Vegeta a lot.

I recently finished DBZ season 9 which is the last season of Z in case you don't know, and something pretty significant occured to me - The main protagonist of the series, Son Goku is a very bad character in almost every way.
I don't mind his animation design, his voice actors or his attitude in general, but the way he overpowers and completely annihilates any odds time and time again could've been executed in a manner that would've shown the other characters such as Vegeta, a little more respect.

It's not hard to understand why he does have the power to overcome the impossible odds, I wouldn't ever question that, that is simply just common protagonist logic - no... It's the way that it has been handled, because naturally he has to overcome these odds, what I don't like is that no matter how severe things become, Goku always prevails with close to no effort.



Inevitably I couldn't help, but to use Goku's training back during the Namek saga for reference when comparing power levels.
It has been stated that Goku possesses a natural talent for increasing in power over small periods of time, but where do we draw the line? Goku practically has everything handed to him in terms of power and he works very little for it whereas a character such as Vegeta trains four times the intensity, but only barely manages to catch up the level of Goku's power during the battle of Frieza.

This wouldn't really be as much of a problem had it been for the fact that Goku had shown any sign of weaknesses, but no.

Seriously I can only think of a few moments where Goku has truly been bested, the most significant one being Kid Buu.
Against Cell he does state that he is undoubtely weaker than Cell in his perfect form,
but we never really get to see this proven.
Gohan takes over and Goku goes on to sacrifice himself for the planet.

Goku goes on to train in the afterlife which transcends him to the power of SS3, again putting Vegeta and everyone else for that matter to shame.
The reason for why I keep using Vegeta for reference is because he is the only one that ever gets close to Goku's level, and even so he's so far away from it.

So my reason for saying that Goku is a bad character is because I feel he undermines every single other character in the show by tenfold.
It's just a complete joke how everyone seems to be struggling to gain in power only to be put to shame by Goku.
On top of this, Goku has no real weakness.
The only real weakness he has, is the fragilty of planet earth, and his ridicilous lust for battle and compassion that often makes him offer his enemies the opportunity to raise to their maximum power and potential.
Even so, he still gets to reduce to them dust.

In my opinion, there should've been more moments like the one where Gohan truly shines in the battle against Cell, without the transparent feeling that Goku might be able to do the same.
Vegeta was an awesome character, so much more humane than Goku both emotionally and in terms of restrictions, and he never truly recieved any honorable mentionings after his battle against Goku, ever since he's lacking in power no matter how intensely he trains.
Gohan seems to be following in his dads footsteps in terms of having everything handed to him by having power "unlocked" several times in the show.

I call bullshit.
One thing is Akira Toriyama's lack of care for filling out plotholes, but flushing out every other character but Goku, is just bullshit.

On top of this he's a really bland character. There's no sign of weaknesses to be found anywhere.
He mentions to Gohan during his transformation to Super Saiyan for the first time that "you need to get out of here before I lose it" but never ever is this demonstrated.
The closest thing being the great ape stage, but that is eliminated all the way back in the original DB series.

It's like getting free access to a themepark, but every ride is $25.
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Hi,

Since this appears to be mostly aligned with the anime, I moved it from General to the Anime forums, I hope you don't mind.

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i didnt read the whole thing jsut wanted to say that the spirit bomb only actully worked once
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I've been complaining about Goku and his clones for years. I agree. Except I would also like to add that his personality is annoying too.
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Posted 2/20/14 , edited 2/20/14

Irybell wrote:

I've been complaining about Goku and his clones for years. I agree. Except I would also like to add that his personality is annoying too.


Glad to see that someone else agrees with me, I'm expecting to get a lot of hate from this thread to be honest, because Goku has a crazy amount of fans.



MakotoKamui wrote:

Hi,

Since this appears to be mostly aligned with the anime, I moved it from General to the Anime forums, I hope you don't mind.

-Makoto

Not at all.
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Meh. I prefer Vegeta more.
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I think a lot of people have already known that Goku isn that great of a character, people whom thought otherwise are probably casual anime watchers, or those that consider physically strong characters to be good characters.
He is equivalent to Superman, but people tries way too hard to set them up apart. Both of them are crap.(Batman rocks by the way)
If anything, i would say that Vegeta and Cell(and probably Picolo) are the characters that stand out in the show.
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If anything, i would say that Vegeta and Cell(and probably Picolo) are the characters that stand out in the show.

Vegeta and Piccolo ironically enough being voiced by the same voice actor ^_^ haha.

Can't say I agree on Superman though.
Superman is in fact a great character, just a lot of people that can't figure out how to handle his powers and weaknesses.
And honestly I doubt you read Superman if you compare him to Goku haha :D
But I have heard people say that before, it seems to be a popular thing to point out on the internet.

And just because you are a casual anime watcher shouldn't affect whether you can recognize a badly written or a proper written character really.
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Another clickbait thread title. Meh, I've seen better and I'm not bored enough right now....

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Posted 2/20/14 , edited 2/20/14

Kurodenki wrote:

Another clickbait thread title. Meh, I've seen better and I'm not bored enough right now....


[EDIT BY MOD - Do not attack/insult other users. Disagree if you like, but do it without the attacks.]
In what way is the title of this thread misleading?
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I agree that more characters should have had more highlights especially Vegeta and Gohan, but you offer almost no argument as to why Goku is a bad character other than personal spite. Goku is your typical shonen character, but not a bad one.
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Look, I don't mind if people disagree on this thread, or with each other, but please do it without insulting, attacking, or flaming other users.
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then how about you blackline his crap then? Just because I'm not asking him nicely to take his trolling and shove it up someplace dark, shouldn't turn attention around on me.
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Posted 2/20/14
goten is by far the best character you people are crazy
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qualeshia3 wrote:

Meh. I prefer Vegeta more.


Vegeta was my favorite. Good old, Vegeta... Selfish, Arrogrant, Stubborn, Cockiness. He had the best quotes. Total Badass.

"Welcome to the end of your life. And I promise it's going to hurt."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG5oTmipkd8
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