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Christians: Who defines your interpretation of God?
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The NWT is not at all as radicly different as you're claiming it to be. It changes a few words, yes, but it's largely the same. There are no truly major differences. The only changes are on detail level. None more.
Their beliefs do not contradict basic Christian principles. God is still the creator of the universe, still omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent, still going to raise the dead after Armageddon, still sent his son to die for our sins, etc.
To claim that such minor changes as believing that Jesus died on a stake rather than a cross makes them "not christians" is ignorant and fallacious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

All denominations of religion believe that they are right and that everyone else is wrong. May I point out the degree to which catholics and protestands have despised each other throughout the centuries? The JWs are not at all a special case in that regard...Comparing the JWs to Mormonism is just... dumb. The Mormons have an entirely new book aside from the bile. The JWs still use only the bible and nothing else. A bible that is not anywhere near as radicly different as you're making it out to be.
I don't care if you're a devout christian, you're still wrong. Your entire argument is built upon nothing more than a fallacy.
It would be like someone else saying that only painters are artists. It's ridiculous.
Your preference holds no authority from an objective point of view.


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Now, on to one's view of God. One can believe the Old Testament has literal stories and still believe in a perfect God who loves mankind completely. Believing in the Old Testament does not make one hate their neighbor, as that is explicitly prohibited in both OT/NT. There are many reasons why I can make this claim (not the least of which is that I believe in a very literal interpretation of much of the OT and I don't hate anyone).


Sure you can. But you're deluding yourself if you do. The god in the OT is an awful, despicable god.
Which is not surprising, seeing as he was originally Yahweh, or, Yahweh Sabaoth -- and was only the israelites' war god, and nothing else, and didn't become the "one true god" until about 600 B.C.

And I never said that anyone became less christian because of it. I said that the picture it paints of God is quite different. And it is.

Jehovah's Witness' believe that Jesus is not God & that He and the Archangel Michael are the same being. For this reason alone, I would say they are not a Christian denomination. I know a few former Jehovah's Witness' who would attest to the same that their beliefs are not compatible with what is commonly known as Christian beliefs, but I digress.


They are not an ORTHODOX christian organization, no. But just because they're unorthodox, doesn't mean they're not christian.
Once again, I refer you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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Syndicaidramon wrote:They are not an ORTHODOX christian organization, no. But just because they're unorthodox, doesn't mean they're not christian.
Once again, I refer you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

That is incorrect as belief in the divinity of Christ & His union with God the Father is a defining feature of Christianity, period. As I mentioned before, this is why by the same definition Muslims, Mormons, & the Baha'i would not be considered Christian churches. It's not a straw man argument, it's not my attempt to distinguish between denominations.

But we'll have to agree to disagree on that regard.
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mdmrn wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:They are not an ORTHODOX christian organization, no. But just because they're unorthodox, doesn't mean they're not christian.
Once again, I refer you to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

That is incorrect as belief in the divinity of Christ & His union with God the Father is a defining feature of Christianity, period. As I mentioned before, this is why by the same definition Muslims, Mormons, & the Baha'i would not be considered Christian churches. It's not a straw man argument, it's not my attempt to distinguish between denominations.

But we'll have to agree to disagree on that regard.


No, I'm pretty sure it's the belief in Jesus Christ being the savior who sacrificed his life for us without the addition of any more prophets or any more scriptures that's the defining feature of christianity.
Muslims and mormons have more prophets and more scriptures. JWs do not. They have the exact same scriptures and the exact same prophets.
The only differences lie in the details.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure it's the belief in Jesus Christ being the savior who sacrificed his life for us without the addition of any more prophets or any more scriptures that's the defining feature of christianity.
Muslims and mormons have more prophets and more scriptures. JWs do not. They have the exact same scriptures and the exact same prophets.
The only differences lie in the details.
Note what I wrote - "A defining feature." There are numerous specific doctrines which define Christianity. Belief that Christ is equal to God the Father is one of them. You are correct in asserting that believing in Christ's atoning sacrifice on the cross is another of those defining beliefs. Denial of any of these specific beliefs means you belong to a church which is something else entirely. Specifically, equating Jesus with the Archangel Michael, belief in Him as a created being as opposed to being the Creator Himself, is altogether not a Christian belief. As I said before, Christ's divinity is a defining doctrine of the Christian faith.

If you feel this is insulting, I'm sorry. The intention is to point out definition merely. It appears we're not going to change each other's definition as you seem to have a different one than I.
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JustineKo2 wrote:

I think Christians actually have trouble with this question but maybe it doesn't need clarification at this point. I don't want to cause confusion, I trust that the question is clear and straightforward enough that I'll get a few good answers.

I'll advise though that this doesn't have a right or wrong answer, but it's entirely possible to completely misunderstand the question like one person I asked did. Don't read too much into the question I guess.

I hope for some honest answers, I'm just curious that's all.


well, depends on the sect. For us Catholics, we have the Magesterium for that. I don't know about the Protestants. usually, it depends on their pastor.
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Friedrich Nietzsche.
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