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I don't see why so many people don't like the Fullbringer arc. Is it that it seemed like the end after the Aizen arc?


Well, that's part of it. The story could have easily ended after Aizen's defeat, minus some plot threads (the reason behind Isshin's de-powering, the truth about Ichigo's mother that Aizen threw out there at the last second, etc).

My personal reason for disliking the Fullbringer arc is I felt like it came out of nowhere. While Chad's powers weren't well explained (beyond coming "from the Hogoyku"), there was nothing hinting at the Fullbringers or their power source. They just kind of came out of nowhere, all ready to teach Ichigo how to regain his powers despite the fact they had a year to do that beforehand.

While the arc was well-written (probably better than the Thousand Year Blood War thus far), it just felt like a long and contrived plot device to get Ichigo his powers back. That's my personal beef with it.


Not to far from how I felt about it as well. The whole arc was pretty pointless with him trying being given this new power only to lose that power and gaining pretty much his old power back (which he eventually end up losing again anyways). Gave good insight on Chad power but that about it. I think one of the thing that Kubo messed up on is creating too many character and thus not being able to create enough screen time for everyone. Look at One Piece, they dedicated an entire arc just to explore a character past and you get to know them (when Luffy was recruiting his crew). Bleach sort of lack that and thus just created a bunch of pointless hollow character that lack any meaning. Remember when Ichigo was learning how to control his Vizard power from those Vizard people? Why didn't we get any character background on any of those character? I was particularly interested in the girl who always read porno magazines. Just an example of adding a bunch of pointless hollow character. I can easily name 10
Posted 3/3/14
Still Big fan here.though I didn't like the many things that happened to Bleach.but I still get attracted to most of the Bleach characters and Kubo's awesome art style.
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Bleach is still good my only complaint is that we havent seen ichigo in like 2-3 Months now O_O. Whats a manga without its main character for so long?? haha
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People say Bleach could of just ended at the Aizen arc but that would just leave it with so many plot holes. The final arc is definitely answering every question that I had and of course showing EVERYONES BANKAI =D. Personally I do believe he could of just not made the fullbringer arc and not let Ichigo lose his powers so he had t create that bloody fullbringer arc so we can have a bloody excuse to get his powers back. "fullbringer" arc that was the biggest problem.
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I'm definitely still a fan. I will continue to read the manga. I can't wait to see Ichigo's new bankai, that will be Tensa Zangetsu's 4th evolution.
I love the bankais each character has been able to evolve, especially Renji's.
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I'm still reading it every week....Just for Rukia, Shuhei, The Soul King, Royal Guards, & Captains' Bankai

I honestly don't really care for Ichigo....I used to like him but then after SS arc he's gone straight to generic idiot Shounen MC...& pretty annoying with his overused 'I'll protect you blah blah blah' & another series of problems with him. Also, Kenpachi, he's pretty much now a Saiyan...another asspulled power up.
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People say Bleach could of just ended at the Aizen arc but that would just leave it with so many plot holes. The final arc is definitely answering every question that I had and of course showing EVERYONES BANKAI =D. Personally I do believe he could of just not made the fullbringer arc and not let Ichigo lose his powers so he had t create that bloody fullbringer arc so we can have a bloody excuse to get his powers back. "fullbringer" arc that was the biggest problem.


The "plot holes" after Aizen are mostly unimportant and don't really add too much to the series. The only "plot hole" that really needed to be covered was why Aizen was so obsessed with taking down the Soul King, and what started him on his path in the first place, and that question hasn't even been answered at all yet. The main reason everything should have ended after Aizen is due to the fact that he started the entire story in the first place, and beating him means solving the main driving force of the series. The Quincies on the other hand just kinda came out of no where with no real foreshadowing what so ever. It is like Necron being the final villain at the end of Final Fantasy IX. It makes no sense and serves little narrative purpose. Also, Aizen's presence is hard to top when it comes to Bleach bad-guys. The Quincies (especially Yhwach) lack his swagger and don't leave the same impression in terms of driving the narrative forward.

I do agree that the Fullbring Arc is basically Filler disguised as canon, though. The way Ichigo got his powers back in the first place was so simple that they should have just done that right away and saved us from the worst arc in the whole series. What the hell was even accomplished in that arc? The Fullbringers were Ultra-Scrubs that are barely a threat (even Hitsugaya won without issue, and he gets jobbed all the time!), and everything that was accomplished ended up being meaningless in the long run. What a waste of paper, ink, and time.
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Soulwarfare wrote:

People say Bleach could of just ended at the Aizen arc but that would just leave it with so many plot holes. The final arc is definitely answering every question that I had and of course showing EVERYONES BANKAI =D. Personally I do believe he could of just not made the fullbringer arc and not let Ichigo lose his powers so he had t create that bloody fullbringer arc so we can have a bloody excuse to get his powers back. "fullbringer" arc that was the biggest problem.


The "plot holes" after Aizen are mostly unimportant and don't really add too much to the series. The only "plot hole" that really needed to be covered was why Aizen was so obsessed with taking down the Soul King, and what started him on his path in the first place, and that question hasn't even been answered at all yet. The main reason everything should have ended after Aizen is due to the fact that he started the entire story in the first place, and beating him means solving the main driving force of the series. The Quincies on the other hand just kinda came out of no where with no real foreshadowing what so ever. It is like Necron being the final villain at the end of Final Fantasy IX. It makes no sense and serves little narrative purpose. Also, Aizen's presence is hard to top when it comes to Bleach bad-guys. The Quincies (especially Yhwach) lack his swagger and don't leave the same impression in terms of driving the narrative forward.

I do agree that the Fullbring Arc is basically Filler disguised as canon, though. The way Ichigo got his powers back in the first place was so simple that they should have just done that right away and saved us from the worst arc in the whole series. What the hell was even accomplished in that arc? The Fullbringers were Ultra-Scrubs that are barely a threat (even Hitsugaya won without issue, and he gets jobbed all the time!), and everything that was accomplished ended up being meaningless in the long run. What a waste of paper, ink, and time.


OBJECTION!!! There were numerous things that needed to be answered. The Zero Division, how Isshin lost his power, whether or not certain character were alive and even the quincys. So there were enough plot hooks for at least one more story arc to do. I will agree that Xcution seems like a waste but the plot needed Ichigo to have his powers and personally I enjoyed what we got with Xcution. Also I have heard a theory that Kubo wanted to scale things back a little before doing another grand arc so in that respect it was a success.
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OBJECTION!!! There were numerous things that needed to be answered. The Zero Division, how Isshin lost his power, whether or not certain character were alive and even the quincys. So there were enough plot hooks for at least one more story arc to do. I will agree that Xcution seems like a waste but the plot needed Ichigo to have his powers and personally I enjoyed what we got with Xcution. Also I have heard a theory that Kubo wanted to scale things back a little before doing another grand arc so in that respect it was a success.


Zero Division didn't even need to be established at all. It isn't like they did anything when Aizen was literally Troll-Stomping all of Soul Society pretty much single-handed. Hell, they aren't doing a whole lot now! Goody. They gave Ichigo ANOTHER power-boost... cause that hasn't happened literally 1000 times by now. Isshen losing his powers can be as simple as him not fighting as much while being on Earth, and, again, what does explaining Isshin losing his powers even accomplish in the plot? Not really a whole lot at all since it does not move the story forward one bit. I really don't care about certain characters living or not. Actually, the only character that we find out was alive after Aizen's defeat and the subsequent chapters that close the arc out is Harriabel, who has done nothing. As for the Quincies, they were said to be all dead. If they didn't make this arc, would you have even noticed? I know I wouldn't.
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OBJECTION!!! There were numerous things that needed to be answered. The Zero Division, how Isshin lost his power, whether or not certain character were alive and even the quincys. So there were enough plot hooks for at least one more story arc to do. I will agree that Xcution seems like a waste but the plot needed Ichigo to have his powers and personally I enjoyed what we got with Xcution. Also I have heard a theory that Kubo wanted to scale things back a little before doing another grand arc so in that respect it was a success.


Zero Division didn't even need to be established at all. It isn't like they did anything when Aizen was literally Troll-Stomping all of Soul Society pretty much single-handed. Hell, they aren't doing a whole lot now! Goody. They gave Ichigo ANOTHER power-boost... cause that hasn't happened literally 1000 times by now. Isshen losing his powers can be as simple as him not fighting as much while being on Earth, and, again, what does explaining Isshin losing his powers even accomplish in the plot? Not really a whole lot at all since it does not move the story forward one bit. I really don't care about certain characters living or not. Actually, the only character that we find out was alive after Aizen's defeat and the subsequent chapters that close the arc out is Harriabel, who has done nothing. As for the Quincies, they were said to be all dead. If they didn't make this arc, would you have even noticed? I know I wouldn't.


That doesn't change that they were established, they even gave a good reason for why they couldn't get involved. They are the Royal Guards its not their job to protect the soul society that is the job of the Gotei 13. Its implied that the soul king himself who told them to help the now. And besides complaining about the heroes getting power ups is complaining about shonen in general. If Isshin lost his powers the way you described it would be very weak and one of the big mysteries was how Isshin lost his powers. And while there were characters who yoou didnt care about there were some who did care and want to know what happened to them. Grimmjow is an example of a character who people wanted to know what happened to them. The same could be said of the quincys a lot of people wanted to know what happened to them and we got our answer.

I think a number of your problems is patience I'm willing to wait and see what comes up and there are more questions to be answered so if your a fan you have to be willing to wait and see.
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Bleach might not be the best manga, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's "bad". I still follow Bleach just to see how it ends. Some of the recent chapters have been pretty good, although my favorite one was when
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ta11ey wrote:

I've grown tired of people endlessly bashing one of my favorite series so I decided to see if there was anyone else who still likes Bleach as much as I do.

Also if possible try not to make this a hate thread we have too many of those.


I like Bleach as much as you do. I've been liking Bleach since I watched it and it's my most favorite anime series out there. Nothing can replace it even though I am watching more than 10 or 15 other series. You have my support.
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That doesn't change that they were established, they even gave a good reason for why they couldn't get involved. They are the Royal Guards its not their job to protect the soul society that is the job of the Gotei 13. Its implied that the soul king himself who told them to help the now. And besides complaining about the heroes getting power ups is complaining about shonen in general. If Isshin lost his powers the way you described it would be very weak and one of the big mysteries was how Isshin lost his powers. And while there were characters who yoou didnt care about there were some who did care and want to know what happened to them. Grimmjow is an example of a character who people wanted to know what happened to them. The same could be said of the quincys a lot of people wanted to know what happened to them and we got our answer.

I think a number of the problems is that patience I'm willing to wait and see what comes up and there are more questions to be answered so if your a fan you have to be willing to wait and see.


I think we are at an impasse. I really see no reason for any of these things needing to be answered. Some minor unimportant questions are not always bad for a series. With Aizen's defeat, all the MAJOR plot threads were handled. Any remaining mysteries were more superficial than for any major reason. Now, with the start if the Quincy Arc, it made other events more important that needed to of course be answered (history of Ichio's mother and father being the major one.) However, let us theoretically say that the last chapter was just the epilogue stuff after Aizen's defeat. Would you even care a whole lot about the unanswered questions?

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Zero Division didn't even need to be established at all. It isn't like they did anything when Aizen was literally Troll-Stomping all of Soul Society pretty much single-handed. Hell, they aren't doing a whole lot now! Goody. They gave Ichigo ANOTHER power-boost... cause that hasn't happened literally 1000 times by now.


Literally huh? That would be a lot even for the shoneniest of manga. *cough*Toriko*cough*
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The only reason i read bleach is because it is one of the best drawn manga, nothing else.
Bleach ended at aizen defeat. They never know when to stop a manga, like dragon ball gt would have never existed. One week is too short to pull out a good story.
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