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Russia invades Ukraine
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I believe the Ukraine government should be kicked out of office but Russia shouldn't go in and take it over or anything and I think the USA should help the rebels.
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I don't like being in a position where I'm defending Putin, but this is not an act of military aggression and the West should not get involved. Canada has done the smart thing by ruling out military intervention.


Canada has ruled it out for the moment, so if France thought Canada was infringing on Quebec's French speaking Citizens and landed troops. You want the USA to stay out of it?

I don't want war but do we appease Russia or offer them consequences, seems like you bought into the Russian News, they are oh so "free" press. They report against Putin and they can have accidents, if it is necessary. Sanctions against Iraq might of worked without Putin's involvement in the skimmed off Money to Sadaam in the UN Oil for Food Program. You are dealing with a popular Dictatorial leader of a sham republic. It is a pre World War 2 situation again in Europe, instead of Sudetenland part of Czechoslovakia and Austria. It is now Abkhazia/South Ossetia parts of Georgia and Ukraine. A Different Century but same playbook, see it for what it is.
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vampireroseice wrote:

I believe the Ukraine government should be kicked out of office but Russia shouldn't go in and take it over or anything and I think the USA should help the rebels.


I don't think it is wise for United States of America to stick their nose into other nation's conflicts. That's what starts bigger conflicts when other nations sees United States of America fight Russia they will join Russia and then more and more... Wars suck, but its not as easy as "USA should help the rebels." Any help other than food and shelter would only provoke Russia into attacking us too.
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Canada has ruled it out for the moment, so if France thought Canada was infringing on Quebec's French speaking Citizens and landed troops. You want the USA to stay out of it?


This reflects a profound misunderstanding of Canada and the situation in Crimea. French-Canadians are not France nationalists. A better analogy would be if Quebec decided to become an independent state and the US stuck their nose in by deploying troops. In such a case, I would still be against US military intervention because it is our country's problem, not that of the US.

If the West intervenes militarily, all it will lead to is military escalation that has a good potential to explode into a large-scale armed conflict. All becauss Russia was deploying troops to defend Russian people and Russia's military assets. Keep in mind in Crimea the citizens are welcoming the Russian troops with cheers and open arms.

Why do Americans always feel the need to go in guns blazing as a solution? This isn't "Russian appeasement", this is avoiding bloodshed of epic proportions and beginning another Cold War.
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If the USA intervenes, I expect a Russia versus US war to break out. Russia and the US have be snapping at each other for a while now, as was demonstrated by the Snowden fiasco, and I feel that it would probably be used as an excuse for flat-out war.
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Mithos_Y wrote:


Jamming777 wrote:

Canada has ruled it out for the moment, so if France thought Canada was infringing on Quebec's French speaking Citizens and landed troops. You want the USA to stay out of it?


This reflects a profound misunderstanding of Canada and the situation in Crimea. French-Canadians are not France nationalists. A better analogy would be if Quebec decided to become an independent state and the US stuck their nose in by deploying troops. In such a case, I would still be against US military intervention because it is our country's problem, not that of the US.

If the West intervenes militarily, all it will lead to is military escalation that has a good potential to explode into a large-scale armed conflict. All becauss Russia was deploying troops to defend Russian people and Russia's military assets. Keep in mind in Crimea the citizens are welcoming the Russian troops with cheers and open arms.

Why do Americans always feel the need to go in guns blazing as a solution? This isn't "Russian appeasement", this is avoiding bloodshed of epic proportions and beginning another Cold War.

You are fooling yourself, unless the Russians are given firm consequences they will not comply with being asked nicely. The Russian's living there are a ruse for Russia to establish a Greater Russia. If Russia didn't want the land they could of gone to the UN for peacekeepers.

That's like Americans moving in Canada and become Naturalized Canadian, then deciding they don't want to abide by the Canadian elections. Instead of moving back to the USA ask the USA to partition their part of Canada from the others. It gets to the point would the Canadian's fight if the USA were invaded? Can we depend upon you for NATO?
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There will not be war but there will be stand offs. Personally I believe that the Crimean peninsula will be annexed to Russia and Ukraine will continue t own the rest of the nation. The reason that Ukraine will not retain control over the peninsula is because the EU and the UN will be pussies ignoring Russia's aggression and its threat to Europe. Everybody in the world but Israel and Eastern European nations hate the US so if we do go to war the UN and everyone else will make us look like savages. RUSSIA AND PUTIN should just become peaceful and the EU should become wary of the threat of Russia and also become real men instead of pussies.
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aeb0717 wrote:

If the USA intervenes, I expect a Russia versus US war to break out. Russia and the US have be snapping at each other for a while now, as was demonstrated by the Snowden fiasco, and I feel that it would probably be used as an excuse for flat-out war.


That's exactly what I think will happen too. The west's obstinate posturing on this issue will only result in escalation. Obama has to tread really carefully in the coming weeks.



I think it's a little naive to think the West can cure Russia of its heavy-handed approach to its imperial agenda with military action, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
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The US has 0 interest in intervening in Ukraine. 0. Everything coming out of Washington and NATO is just noise. Ukraine was Russia's the moment they decided they wanted it. If the puppet in Belarus leaves office, I expect the same will happen there. The US and Canada need to withdraw from NATO. It's not doing anybody any good for the US to be propping up the EU militarily. It encourages Europe to stay weak and wastes North American tax dollars. The EU needs to start accepting the new reality and either start improving relations with Russia or start adding serious capacity to their military. Enough North American blood has been spilt in Europe. They need to put on their big girl panties and handle their shit.

This is not the same as WW2, when Western Europe was a broken mess trying to maintain their empires and rebuild from a devastating war. If EU can't find the strength to stand up to Russia, then they should be prepared to be their bitches.
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I wonder how this is going to play out...
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Jamming777 wrote:


Mithos_Y wrote:


I don't like being in a position where I'm defending Putin, but this is not an act of military aggression and the West should not get involved. Canada has done the smart thing by ruling out military intervention.


Canada has ruled it out for the moment, so if France thought Canada was infringing on Quebec's French speaking Citizens and landed troops. You want the USA to stay out of it?

I don't want war but do we appease Russia or offer them consequences, seems like you bought into the Russian News, they are oh so "free" press. They report against Putin and they can have accidents, if it is necessary. Sanctions against Iraq might of worked without Putin's involvement in the skimmed off Money to Sadaam in the UN Oil for Food Program. You are dealing with a popular Dictatorial leader of a sham republic. It is a pre World War 2 situation again in Europe, instead of Sudetenland part of Czechoslovakia and Austria. It is now Abkhazia/South Ossetia parts of Georgia and Ukraine. A Different Century but same playbook, see it for what it is.


where were you when Crypticcounch was acusing me of be Rupert Murdoch?

I don't know if I entirely agree with you that it's that simple. Certainly your Quebec analogy falls flat to the ears of someone who was born in that provice. Quebec is not like Crimea or the Sudatenland.. it's more like. Texas with it's own language. Gotta understand Quebeqois think they invented Canada, back when it stretched down to New Orleans.



Posted 3/3/14
I love the smell of Russia in the morning...
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I'm with Russia on this one, USA and EU should think twice before aggressively denounce another country. Who's to say USA haven't done the same to other independent countries in the past.

On the other hand, it's best to look on this case from both sides and not just propaganda from one - be it western or eastern.

Posted 3/4/14
Echoes of Hitler's racial unification mentality are heard...
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