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I don't know what this is about, I know it's been pretty hyped up, probably one of the most I have seen asked for or talked about here on CR. Hopefully though with me getting used to Nisekoi means I can finally be used to SHAFT animation style and not be turned away from this show.
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Stonewolfe wrote:

I don't know what this is about, I know it's been pretty hyped up, probably one of the most I have seen asked for or talked about here on CR. Hopefully though with me getting used to Nisekoi means I can finally be used to SHAFT animation style and not be turned away from this show.


I'm going to be in the seat right next to you, I'll ride the hype train for now. Guess I go read the manga.
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Jin does utilize vocaloids in his music but i wouldn't call the show a "vocaloid show". Jin makes music with a story and further defines it in LNs, Manga, and is directly involved with the anime adaptations of his story. Also all the characters are his own and are not vocaloids.



From what I gather about the Vocaloid fan-work community, most of it is like the Mario series where they can be different characters / personalities in different types of stories / games (like how Mario and the others do golf, go-karting, have RPG games, etc.) , but maintain some base traits (like how Miku is a vocaloid, and in Mekkaku she is a digital AI girl), that's what I meant how it's a derivative work, and since it's based around the Vocaloid property, if the IP owner of Vocaloid could or does have any say in how their IP is portrayed.

Crunchy has a new PV up for the show!
No. What I'm saying is none of the characters in the show are Vocaloids, not even Ene (the "digital girl"). His music is about the story but the story is not about the music if you get what I mean. The music he makes is just a medium for the story he's trying to tell.
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Waaait, the blue-haired twin-tailed AI girl is not Miku, the platinum haired gal is not IA, the tween blonde gal with the ribbon is not Ren....even though (I think) those are the Vocaloids used with those characters' songs?

I mean, I know Jin is not declaring those characters "are" Miku, IA, Ren, and so forth, just like how other derivative works in the fandom use the character designs and software as the basis for telling the stories they want to tell, but from the perspective of copyright it is very odd....of course, doujinshi culture is approached differently by IP holders and fan culture in Japan than derivative works / fandom here in the States are by both the IP holders and the fan culture, especially when content creators make and sell derivative works of other content creators.

Though I guess it's not that odd, since maybe the Vocaloid IP holders cannot exercise their copyright over derivative works without facing reprisal from their customers: for me though, it just makes trying to understand the Vocaloid fandom that much harder, because it doesn't seem to have its own identity, but is many different groups doing and wanting to do many different things all under the same fandom.
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it just makes trying to understand the Vocaloid fandom that much harder, because it doesn't seem to have its own identity, but is many different groups doing and wanting to do many different things all under the same fandom.


Sounds like the star wars universe...
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This one seems interesting. I'll check it out
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Waaait, the blue-haired twin-tailed AI girl is not Miku, the platinum haired gal is not IA, the tween blonde gal with the ribbon is not Ren....even though (I think) those are the Vocaloids used with those characters' songs?


the blue twin tailed girl is Ene [Enemoto Takane]
the platinum one is Mary
and the blonde ribbon girl is Kisaragi Momo [Kisaragi shintaro's sister/the Hikikomori]

the songs indeed using vocaloid to tell their story. but they're not vocaloid and it has nothing to do with vocaloid
if you listen to Jin's songs in order, you will get a whole story about those teenagers with their eyes power or you can also try to read the manga/novel .
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maxgale wrote:

Waaait, the blue-haired twin-tailed AI girl is not Miku, the platinum haired gal is not IA, the tween blonde gal with the ribbon is not Ren....even though (I think) those are the Vocaloids used with those characters' songs?

I mean, I know Jin is not declaring those characters "are" Miku, IA, Ren, and so forth, just like how other derivative works in the fandom use the character designs and software as the basis for telling the stories they want to tell, but from the perspective of copyright it is very odd....of course, doujinshi culture is approached differently by IP holders and fan culture in Japan than derivative works / fandom here in the States are by both the IP holders and the fan culture, especially when content creators make and sell derivative works of other content creators.

Though I guess it's not that odd, since maybe the Vocaloid IP holders cannot exercise their copyright over derivative works without facing reprisal from their customers: for me though, it just makes trying to understand the Vocaloid fandom that much harder, because it doesn't seem to have its own identity, but is many different groups doing and wanting to do many different things all under the same fandom.
Seriously? Because no one possibly existed before with blue hair and twin tails... IMO they look nothing like the vocaloids you mention.
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the blue twin tailed girl is Ene [Enemoto Takane]
the platinum one is Mary
and the blonde ribbon girl is Kisaragi Momo [Kisaragi shintaro's sister/the Hikikomori]

the songs indeed using vocaloid to tell their story. but they're not vocaloid and it has nothing to do with vocaloid
if you listen to Jin's songs in order, you will get a whole story about those teenagers with their eyes power or you can also try to read the manga/novel .


Familiar with a few of the songs, but mostly know of it through Pixiv fanart (which is, legit, how I find out about most anime and manga anymore), though I got some good feedback from others about other sites to check out).

Vocaloid fandom is a weird thing: there's some videos of Ren being some Marie Antoinette figure, (Servant of Evil or something its called?), and all sorts of videos where the Vocaloid software and character designs are used as the basis for telling different stories: that's what I mean by a derivative work. There are different ways works can be derivative. For example, writing a fanfic about Final Fantasy characters, here it is more heavily derived than say, writing a fanfic about an office worker at ShinRa: the latter still a derivative work, even if it's mostly original characters, etc.

Some Vocaloid fan works, like the Ren video I described, are more like the example of writing a fanfic using the characters directly from Final Fantasy: the character design of Ren is pretty much what her Vocaloid design is, and character relationships (can't have Ren without Len, as the video shows), etc.

Mekakku City Actors seems to be more like the example of writing a fanfic about a ShinRa office worker: using the base designs and software for telling a story, but like how the hypothetical office worker is a ShinRa office worker, things like Ene being a twin-tailed blue-haired AI girl make it clear where the work is being derived from.

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Getting Hyped for this one later today!
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Episode 1

Here comes Shaft once again doing what this studio is famous for. The MC only talks with an AI who looks like Miku Hatsune, and thanks to spilling soda on his keyboard and his need to continue his life on the computers right away that he ventures outside. And then he is captured by artificial enemies that he manages to escape from. Well, this show looks pretty nice, and of course this is what I expect out of Shaft, making everything visually blown out of proportion.
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Ep 1

Well the art direction was nice, of course since its SHAFT.

Shin feels a lot like Araragi from Monogatari



I too would like an AI girl voiced by Kana Asumi
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Tbh I didn't really enjoy watching the premier as much as I hoped. Maybe Shinbo's style just isn't for me for this story, especially after reading a bit of the manga first. Chances are that I just wasn't in a good mood when checking this out and I'd have to see this again at another time, but for now I really didn't find this episode as entertaining as the first couple manga chapters and Heat Haze music videos. I did end up dropping Monogatari, and I found myself prefering the Nisekoi manga over the adaption anyway. At least Madoka was pretty great for me.
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