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Posted 3/13/14 , edited 3/13/14
CR's service is great. I'm not going to burn a bag of poop on their porch over something they have no control over.


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Insomnist wrote:

I would like to take a moment to appreciate how fucking amazing it is that we get simulcasts at all.

And now I am going to run away with this moment, AND YOU CAN NEVER HAVE IT BACK.

*puts running shoes on and starts chasing insomnist*

/runs around the corner

/flips coat inside-out

/leans nonchalantly against a wall
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Sarchy wrote:

I'm sure it's not at direct fault with crunchyroll, but other non-fee'd websites have kill la kill up, yet it's been delayed several times, and i've experienced this with other shows.

Hey crunchy staff, could you let your providers know how "UNNACCEPTABLE" it is to not have the video service available already?

It's starting to get a little ridiculous now . . . C'MON TEAM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzD3qMZIWs


Moved to the Suggestions/Feedback forum.
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I'm sure it isn't their fault, which is why it'd be nice to get a better explanation.

And after seeing the latest episode of Kill La Kill somewhere else, i can probably guess why.
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Insomnist
/runs around the corner

/flips coat inside-out

/leans nonchalantly against a wall


odd, i didn't get a quote notification. i guess that's why i lost you!

hopefully it'll be up before i work tomorrow night. otherwise, it'll be my pre-bedtime anime.
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Posted 3/13/14

Sarchy wrote:

I'm sure it's not at direct fault with crunchyroll, but other non-fee'd websites have kill la kill up, yet it's been delayed several times, and i've experienced this with other shows.

Hey crunchy staff, could you let your providers know how "UNNACCEPTABLE" it is to not have the video service available already?

It's starting to get a little ridiculous now . . . C'MON TEAM.


Check the third question for an explanation from someone who's worked with the industry for years: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-03-07

Basically, production schedules are insanely tight, and high profile regions get extra attention to detail.
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Huh, that's an interesting perspective, I didn't think about it like that, thanks!
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You know, that's nice and all that you know where to source raws from, but flaunting it is really kinda riding the fine line of whats acceptable, since we aren't allowed to really mention or link to anything of that nature. Just keep it on the DL, so nobody gets in trouble.
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Posted 3/14/14

Khaltazar wrote:

They probably just didn't finish putting subtitles on it while other sites have.

In the case of Kill la Kill, I expect Aniplex is handling the subtitling, which would mean CR basically doesn't have the English-subtitled video until it is delivered. (One reason I suspect this is that Daisuki also had a delay for the English subtitled version).

Even if CR does handle the subtitles, they can't start working on them until the original is delivered (which is normally occurs before the episode airs in Japan).

By contrast, fansubbers start as soon as someone records the episode in Japan and uploads a digital copy. This usually means they are behind CR, but it doesn't take CR's original being delayed by much for this to be turned around.
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Posted 3/14/14 , edited 3/14/14

TheAncientOne wrote:
In the case of Kill la Kill, I expect Aniplex is handling the subtitling, which would mean CR basically doesn't have the English-subtitled video until it is delivered. (One reason I suspect this is that Daisuki also had a delay for the English subtitled version).

Even if CR does handle the subtitles, they can't start working on them until the original is delivered (which is normally occurs before the episode airs in Japan).



I think it must be Aniplex either handling or directly contracting the subtitles, before sending them along to the official services. And it's clearly the English versions having the problem here:

Crunchyroll: Weekly delivery issues regarding assets.
Wakanim: Weekly delivery issues regarding video assets. Update: Confirmed on their FB page to be subtitle delivery. As they already have the video for the French version, thet they do sub in-house.
Daisuki: Weekly delivery issues regarding English subtitles. Other languages go up "on time".

As I mentioned in another thread, and others have said before in previous weeks, we're pretty unlikely to hear any official explanation any time soon. It would involve throwing the japanese licensor under the bus, which won't do much for future licensing chances.
(Having said that, if they pull the same delivery crap too often they might find themselves thrown under the bus because people may not want to carry their shows, and want to distance themselves form being the cause of late uploads. But that's a very big "if", and a long time in the future if ever.)

The problem is, it reflects badly on the official services. And it reflects badly on legal stream in general, if shows scheduled as (especially those touted as "same day as first broadcast") consistently go online after the fansubs hit.
As TheAncientOne states, the fansubs aren't reliant on official assets being delivered. Also, as "hobby" work, they will get done out-of-hours, when people get home from work/school/whatever. Whereas the official streams can only be encoded if the assets arrive during work hours.
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Posted 3/14/14

TiggsPanther wrote:

The problem is, it reflects badly on the official services. And it reflects badly on legal stream in general, if shows scheduled as (especially those touted as "same day as first broadcast") consistently go online after the fansubs hit.
As TheAncientOne states, the fansubs aren't reliant on official assets being delivered. Also, as "hobby" work, they will get done out-of-hours, when people get home from work/school/whatever. Whereas the official streams can only be encoded if the assets arrive during work hours.


Wasn't one of the recent episodes of Kill la Kill made available sometime around midnight? Anyway you look at that, it's outside "work hours."
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eyeofpain wrote:

Wasn't one of the recent episodes of Kill la Kill made available sometime around midnight? Anyway you look at that, it's outside "work hours."


I wouldn't know, as I can't properly see the CR release times form the UK.

But Wakanim always ends up with a pretty much 24-hour delay whereas CR and Daisuki's Twitter alerts are up by the time I wake up the next morning. And all I can think of is that the US workflow can at least start during work hours and the UK can't as their work hours start later.

The only other possibility I can think of, although surely it would be a low likelihood, is that the subtitle assets are couriered rather than digitally transferred. Meaning that the five-to-nine hour (give or take the current DST difference) timezone difference means that CR are in a position to receive the assets where Wakanim aren't.

The thing is, i don't know what the reason could be but all I can see is that the UK get s a much larger delay. And that American work hours are mostly in progress and that UK work hours are all but over by the time the delay is announced. (This week's Wakanim announcement was at about 5pm our time)
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Posted 3/15/14 , edited 3/15/14

TiggsPanther wrote:

I wouldn't know, as I can't properly see the CR release times form the UK.

But Wakanim always ends up with a pretty much 24-hour delay whereas CR and Daisuki's Twitter alerts are up by the time I wake up the next morning. And all I can think of is that the US workflow can at least start during work hours and the UK can't as their work hours start later

I imagine it has something to do with Wakanim's processes. If the delay is being caused by late subtitles, CR can have the video encoded and ready to go as soon as they receive the subtitle file. Daisuki is slower as they use Aniplex's hardsubbed encode, and then Wakanim is slower once again because they use their own encode and typesetting (I've never actually checked it so correct me if I'm wrong, but they claim to be aiming for higher quality encodes).
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At the end of the day I am sure everyone does their best but delays happen. It doesn't hurt to wait that bit longer and I would rather wait and watch it through a legal way then get it a few hours early...It's the kind of show worth waiting for anyway
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