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Japan's population problems...
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From what I can tell Japanese women are fighting for equality, they want jobs and careers. The country will surely have to work on better childcare etc, changes in male attitudes and maybe then they can get the population figures going up instead of down. I read an article recently, I think Deb Aoki posted it on Twitter, where the prices of childcare are astronomical in Japan.
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It sounds like "we live to work rather than we work to live" happens often in Japan.


The thing is: Because of the job you are able to live. If you did not have a job you would not be able to live. Therefore job is the most important. Same goes for job over family. If you have no job you wont be able to support your family. So work is the most important part of life. Most of the time.
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Henpei wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

It sounds like "we live to work rather than we work to live" happens often in Japan.


The thing is: Because of the job you are able to live. If you did not have a job you would not be able to live. Therefore job is the most important. Same goes for job over family. If you have no job you wont be able to support your family. So work is the most important part of life. Most of the time. ;)


I get that. The point I'm getting at is all some of them seem to only care about working. There isn't anything wrong with that yet nothing else seems to matter to them other than their jobs/careers. No time for fun, family, relaxation, and anything else since some of them rather work hard.

Thats just how I see it.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


Henpei wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

It sounds like "we live to work rather than we work to live" happens often in Japan.


The thing is: Because of the job you are able to live. If you did not have a job you would not be able to live. Therefore job is the most important. Same goes for job over family. If you have no job you wont be able to support your family. So work is the most important part of life. Most of the time. ;)


I get that. The point I'm getting at is all some of them seem to only care about working. There isn't anything wrong with that yet nothing else seems to matter to them other than their jobs/careers. No time for fun, family, relaxation, and anything else since some of them rather work hard.

Thats just how I see it.


That is true! I agree. But I also think there is a big generation change with some people that does not want to work at all. I also think it depends what town someone comes from.
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Yeah. There are those who rather have fun then take the time to be an adult. I guess it could depend though.
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I offer myself as a tribute to help repopulate when it becomes a problem XD
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I think Japan will try something before it gets way out of hand. Like giving incentive or something for people to actually start families, or reducing the costs of things it takes to raise a child, things like that. I also don't think Japan is necessarily opposed to immigration flat out, its just unlike the states where it is pretty much: "Hey I want to live here!" "Sure go ahead!" Japan is more like: "Hey I want to live here!" "Do you have the necessary qualifications to live here?"

There are jobs and such for foreigners in Japan, but you HAVE to have qualifications, and it's not as simple as you having a degree in some field they need, like English teachers, or certain medical fields, or commercial-esque stuff. You have to prove you can be the best in that field, and better than not just the Japanese, which most of the time they will think you are not better especially as an American, but all the other people who are coming in to try for those jobs. Of course with declining birth rates you get less English teacher jobs because more schools are closing than opening.

You can't just pack up your life, grab a plane ticket, and move to Japan. No matter how much you want to live there or help repopulate the country...

Anyway off of the immigration/foreigner shtick: As for declining population... well ok maybe not quite off the immigration factor yet... being more open to immigration won't necessarily help the problem. Putting aside whether or not Japan is tight knit on their immigration because they are trying to preserve their way of life so to speak, the reason they are having a population problem at all is because the younger generation, namely really MY generation, DO NOT care about starting families, settling down, getting married, ANY of it. Hell even here in the states it is quite prone to happen, you just don't notice it because there are more people.

It's more common I think from what I have seen to get married, have kids, and all that "fun" stuff later, like into your thirties, after you have figured out what the hell you are doing with your life. The only difference between here and Japan, Japanese tend to get engrossed in their work, so much to the point that other than drinking after work to forget the work day, they don't do much else OTHER than work. They leave no time to meet people outside of work. Because of this, there are so few kids in the teens now that they are closing schools like crazy, because there are no kids to populate them.

Anyway I feel like I have talked enough now, but this is one of those type of topics that could be essay worthy length for a college paper because of all of the different points and views and such on the whole thing.
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Actually, the US fertility rate is around replacement at 2. immigration allows us to grow. Japan fertility is 1.25 per woman whixh is way low. Italy has about the same rate.
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If they want to improve the fertility rate, they could ban women from professional jobs or from working more than 20 hours. Alternatively, you could make taxes punitive for childless with huge breaks for people with children. Another way is to outlaw or restrict contraception. One of these things may eventually happen there.

What is strange about their culture is the obsession with youth yet so few offspring.
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They're just as fertile as women from any other country. It's just that they don't want to have kids so they take countermeasures to prevent getting pregnant. Of all the things suggested above, only giving tax breaks to people with children seems fair. Otherwise, you are punishing women for essentially being women and you are punishing most people for no reason since most people do not have children. Outlawing/restricting contraception will only frustrate people and make it more likely that they become with child at inopportune times. It is potentially damaging to a child's future.
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There are a lot of factors that go into population decline (when it isn't because of a disease or somesuch).

Japan's borderline xenophobia doesn't help. Americans really don't understand that most countries don't have a mix of ethnicities, and being ethnically different really, really makes you stand out. Not saying Japan is racist or supports discrimination, but when you're the "other," it's hard to be accepted.

Then there's the fact that, as anyone who has had children can testify, they're friggin' expensive. Also remember that Japan has probably the highest COL of any developed nation, as well as a highly competitive business market, and women are more interested in having careers than children.

Birth rates in the US are pretty low as well; only at about replacement levels. Our population only keeps growing thanks to immigration. Not necessarily a bad thing, though; there is a limit to the number of people the Earth can support, naturally or otherwise. The Japanese just may have realized this sooner than us because their nation is a (relatively) tiny island.
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I'm pretty sure there was another thread like this one somewhere on Crunchyroll....


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I think that there might be some lonely women in Japan right about now. Good thing I'm going again in the summer....



*high five* I'm going as well in summer, let's do our part to contribute to the community! ~.~

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Maybe they realise that having 13 kids like some families is a retarded idea.
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Maybe the fact that there are more women than men in Japan and roughly 60% of the adult male population under 35 are virgins who have never dated has something to do with it... Just gonna throw that one out there.
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Japan will never open its door to immigration. Sure they will talk about it, and import the odd foreigner to teach English or the odd specialist. But that is far as it goes. They are not exactly xenophobic in the way the west understands it. They are just a very insular country that has no interest in other countries or other cultures outside Japan. This is very difficult for people in the west to understand particularly American's, British and Australians who are used to dealing with different cultures all the time.

Put it this way, a typical Japanese kid will be expected to go to school and college in the same town and live and work in that town for the rest of his/her life. A typical British kid will go to school, move away to go to University and then find work in whatever town he/she can. Most of the friends I went to school with have left the town I lived in when I went to school, but in Japan that doesn't happen, in fact its about as common as a Japanese to leave town as it is for a European to leave their country. Think about it. How often have you encountered a Japanese working and living abroad? They simply have no interest in anything other than Japan.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't a criticism. It's just the way they are and its reflected in their culture.

As for the population drop. It's simply too expensive to have more than one child. Wages in Japan are dropping lower than inflation and therefore the standard of living is falling. Japan has also under-performing economically for 20 years with large youth unemployment and lowering productivity outside the Tokyo hub. It's also struggling to be competitive against China and South Korea.
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