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In your opinion, who is the most charismatic and/or manipulative character in fiction?
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Ah I see.
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Toss me in as another vote for Monster's Johan Liebert. I've never seen anyone spin a web as grand and twisted as his.

Props to Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights, by Emily Bronte, though.
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Darth SIdious from Star Wars=The leader of both sides, completely turned the republic inside out, lead by sides without either side knowing the truth.

Satan (i dont consider him real) so prob him too.
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Lord Vetinari. There is a reason he's never the main character. He would break the plot. Heck, he won a war by surrendering.

Also, the Master, from Doctor Who, is both devious and extremely hypnotic. In fact, it is his hypnotic personality that is his most dangerous attribute, as he is neither truly dangerous in a fight, nor as technically skilled as the Doctor.
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Bavalt wrote:

Toss me in as another vote for Monster's Johan Liebert. I've never seen anyone spin a web as grand and twisted as his.

Props to Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights, by Emily Bronte, though.



Another one for Johan? Well then.
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Light from Death Note is manipulative; at least the way he used Misa. He manipulated everyone around him, basically... his family, father, L, co-workers etc.

He will do anything to get to his objective.


I suppose all humans are like that in some ways. It just depends if we have the abilities to do it. For example, most people can use their beauty to their advantage... especially when concerning the opposite gender.


I'm manipulative too; but i'm never consciously manipulative. It's always... I say something to someone to make them feel sorry for me, then only later i realized i did it to make them feel sorry... but I do it sub-consciously. I try to restrain myself from being manipulative. So I just stay quiet.




This is why i hate talking to people; the more i talk to people, the more i realize how flawed I am... how human I am. I just want to be lost in my own world.
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Rorschach ~ Watchmen

Is the only vigilante that stayed active after Keene Act (outlaw masked vigilantes [except Comedian and Dr Manhattan]).

He is the one that makes the assumptions, realizing that someone killed the Comedian and probably is targeting the other Watchmen, with that he conducts a personal investigation, pursuading the older vigilantes to help him (since they just got regular jobs after Keene Act).

After he got arrested he showed how badass (and psychopath) he was when most of the people in prision where there because of him, they tried to pick up a fight... showing an overflowing ammout of violence makes one of the best quotes in prision I saw:


"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with ME!"


Well he's badass, he's pursuasive and best of all he's one that makes Watchmen be one of the best comic books ever made.

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Edmond Dantes from The Count of Monte Cristo or David Xanatos from Gargoyles.
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Stonewolfe wrote:

Hmmm Sherlock Holmes? James Bond? How about Bugs Bunny? For shits and giggles lets also throw in Captain Jack Sparrow or any of the Doctors from Doctor Who.


definitely Bugs Bunny. look how he's so charmingly teaching Elmer that violence is not the answer



and look how devoted Elmer becomes

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Light from Death Note is manipulative; at least the way he used Misa. He manipulated everyone around him, basically... his family, father, L, co-workers etc.

He will do anything to get to his objective.


I suppose all humans are like that in some ways. It just depends if we have the abilities to do it. For example, most people can use their beauty to their advantage... especially when concerning the opposite gender.


I'm manipulative too; but i'm never consciously manipulative. It's always... I say something to someone to make them feel sorry for me, then only later i realized i did it to make them feel sorry... but I do it sub-consciously. I try to restrain myself from being manipulative. So I just stay quiet.




This is why i hate talking to people; the more i talk to people, the more i realize how flawed I am... how human I am. I just want to be lost in my own world.



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Small picture, I know. But that's Matt Jeevas from Death Note. I know he doesn't appear all that much and you're probably wondering where I got that idea from, but I just get that charismatic vibe from him, y'know?



This is Shinichi Akiyama from Liar Game, one of my favourite characters from anything ever. I could go on forever about him, so I won't even start.



Johan Liebert. Gives me chills. He's a psychopath, and that's about all there is to it. He fucked everyone up.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:

Light from Death Note is manipulative; at least the way he used Misa. He manipulated everyone around him, basically... his family, father, L, co-workers etc.

He will do anything to get to his objective.


I suppose all humans are like that in some ways. It just depends if we have the abilities to do it. For example, most people can use their beauty to their advantage... especially when concerning the opposite gender.


I'm manipulative too; but i'm never consciously manipulative. It's always... I say something to someone to make them feel sorry for me, then only later i realized i did it to make them feel sorry... but I do it sub-consciously. I try to restrain myself from being manipulative. So I just stay quiet.




This is why i hate talking to people; the more i talk to people, the more i realize how flawed I am... how human I am. I just want to be lost in my own world.


Self-fulfilling self-assessment post?
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Madara Uchiha
Let's think about this for a second.. He rescued someone whose "death" was witnessed and used him knowing full well that his friend would die, then left his personality in one of the zetsu's to guide Obito and have him tell everyone he was Madara. On top of that, he implanted the Rinnegan in Pein long before the idea of the Akatsuki came to be and had Obito take advantage of Danzo's evil ass in trying to have Nagato, Yuhiko and Konan killed.. Not to mention, the majority of everything that happened in Naruto happened because of him- while he was dead. Now it's a full on war involving the entire world because of him?
Not bad.
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I can't argue with people suggesting Lelouch, Shinichi Akiyama, Edmund Dantes, and even Light - though Light was only manipulative in my opinion, he was only successful with charisma when dealing with people that were in messed up frames of mind.

I wish I had my book collection here to refresh my memory... the following come to mind though:

Toranaga (Shogun) - the story has a bunch of schemers in it, but Toranaga is probably the only one on the same level as the others here. Maybe Omi as well.

Chade (Assassin's Apprentice) - he's an excellent actor and knows how to manipulate others, as shown in his dealings with Fitz and the effectiveness of his disguises.

Anafiel Delauney (Kushiel's Dart) - he's somewhat like the Count of Monte Cristo; he has a mysterious past, deals in intrigue, is charming, has incredibly diverse acquaintances, has knowledge in a wide range of subjects.

Rand al'Thor (Wheel of Time) - he constantly manages to outmaneuver his opponents while herding kingdoms together.

Edit: How'd I forget Steerpike (Gormanghast). The guy managed a meteoric rise in position within an incredibly traditional society, through his intellect, duplicity and the use of charisma and manipulation of every poor fool that had the misfortune to cross paths with him.
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Johan!
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