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What Happened to Shino
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Posted 3/17/14 , edited 3/17/14

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Whoa there...personally i think Sakura got A LOT better from the original Naruto series.
Back then she only whined about Sasuke and getting stronger (she finally got a clue towards the end of the series) but since there is no Sasuke around in the beginning, you see how much she has developed. I like her way more now.


I was ok with Sakura early on, even if it was a really negative view. But the awesome she developed(off screen development) has undermined her character far too much later on. It was a simple "Look! Sakura is awesome now! Watch as she uses her awesome cool strength to do something awesome again aaaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. Her development is gone"


Following her awesome showing in the first season of Shippuden, Sakura has done little to nothing afterwards. Unless you count her commentary on how Naruto is so much cooler than he used to be, or how she triple-failed with everything Sasuke related in the laterish seasons. As epic and awesome as the 'Pain Arc" was(and I watched/caught up on Naruto very recently, like just this last week), Sakura was damn useless during it. Even Ino did more! Sakura's role was "watch as Naruto did something more awesome than she could. Even Hinata shows up and pulls the most epic confession in the show. Sakura pulls off a fake-confession the very next season, that causes such hate. It's the writer's fault however, he just doesn't want to give his female characters anything resembling effectiveness or power. Women exist to heal the men, AND NOTHING ELSE.


Shino was so forgotten, the show makes fun of Naruto not remembering him. He was missing from the Sasuke Retrevial arc, and that's fine and dandy, but Side-Characters hardly get development within the show, everybody getting development there was more a lucky chance than something we can expect. So Shino is thrown to the wayside very often, because his powers are super useful....sometimes.

Same goes with Hintata and Kiba. They're all strong fighters that don't rely on gimmicks, buuuuuuut you can't have them upstaging the rest of the cast, right?

Shikimaru is well liked for a reason, and gets himself screentime. He essentially turns a lose into a win, and that's cool.
Shino, Hinata, Kiba, Rock Lee, Neji? They turn off the tension, as they're all pretty damn capable. So you're not going to see Shino a lot specifically because of how useful and awesome he is.
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It's the writer's fault however, he just doesn't want to give his female characters anything resembling effectiveness or power. Women exist to heal the men, AND NOTHING ELSE.
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This SO THIS. Annoys me so much in Naruto.
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He fell on the planet along with his bugs.


He fell on the planet? From how high? From what building? That could have hurt.


I meant "off".

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Felstalker wrote:


It's the writer's fault however, he just doesn't want to give his female characters anything resembling effectiveness or power. Women exist to heal the men, AND NOTHING ELSE.
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This SO THIS. Annoys me so much in Naruto.


I thought this was neat to know. Apparently, the Author dislikes Hinata and is highly surprised by her huge fanbase. While the Anime Producers/Developers/Animators/Whatever really really like Hinata, and try to paint her in a more positive light.

I'm not sure they care much about the other-er characters however. I know Rock Lee is more popular outside Japan than Inside, and his spin-off is a result of the Author not using his character and the Anime Producers REALLY REALLY wanting to make more use of him.

It's just, their was a reason the Filler Episodes overwhelmingly focused on Rock Lee, Neji, and Hinata...
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qualeshia3 wrote:


Sacae89 wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

He fell on the planet along with his bugs.


He fell on the planet? From how high? From what building? That could have hurt.


I meant "off".



:( I know, I was making a joke. Sorry.
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Sacae89 wrote:


Felstalker wrote:


It's the writer's fault however, he just doesn't want to give his female characters anything resembling effectiveness or power. Women exist to heal the men, AND NOTHING ELSE.
.


This SO THIS. Annoys me so much in Naruto.


I thought this was neat to know. Apparently, the Author dislikes Hinata and is highly surprised by her huge fanbase. While the Anime Producers/Developers/Animators/Whatever really really like Hinata, and try to paint her in a more positive light.

I'm not sure they care much about the other-er characters however. I know Rock Lee is more popular outside Japan than Inside, and his spin-off is a result of the Author not using his character and the Anime Producers REALLY REALLY wanting to make more use of him.

It's just, their was a reason the Filler Episodes overwhelmingly focused on Rock Lee, Neji, and Hinata...


All that makes me really sad about the author.
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Yeah...I didn't get the joke. It's not your fault.
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Oh he's still alive, not much around though. I predict he'll survive by the end of the war.

I'm surprised no one asked where Yamato is right now. It's been years since we've seen him.
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All of this makes me dislike Naruto as a series more.
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When everyone cheering and celebrating that the war over; Shino is going to be in the forest somewhere playing with bugs. Forgotten about everyone else.
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Speaking of Shino/all side characters.

So by the sound of it, it sounds like Naruto does a bad job with its side characters. There are a lot of them, and not nearly enough ever get developed. Some aren't seen for a year. So forth.

Could this be a common probably with the Big Three (bleach, naruto, one piece)? Or long running anime in general.

A lot of side characters are in these, the other two as well. And it might just hard to give enough attention to so many characters.

I haven't watched enough of bleach and one piece to know how they fare with there side characters. I think One Piece though, from what I watch, may fare better because of how its set up.
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Oh he's still alive, not much around though. I predict he'll survive by the end of the war.

I'm surprised no one asked where Yamato is right now. It's been years since we've seen him.


Hasn't he


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stark700 wrote:

Oh he's still alive, not much around though. I predict he'll survive by the end of the war.

I'm surprised no one asked where Yamato is right now. It's been years since we've seen him.


Hasn't he




Yeah he was.


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Speaking of Shino/all side characters.

So by the sound of it, it sounds like Naruto does a bad job with its side characters. There are a lot of them, and not nearly enough ever get developed. Some aren't seen for a year. So forth.

Could this be a common probably with the Big Three (bleach, naruto, one piece)? Or long running anime in general.

A lot of side characters are in these, the other two as well. And it might just hard to give enough attention to so many characters.

I haven't watched enough of bleach and one piece to know how they fare with there side characters. I think One Piece though, from what I watch, may fare better because of how its set up.


Quite the contrary, the problems with Naruto and Bleach are completely different.

Naruto's side characters are just that, side characters. The author essentially invented them early on, but wanted to focus on Naruto and drop them. So arc's featuring them are poorly planned, and done half-heartedly. Compare Asuma's arc to Jiraya's. Someone had a little more time and effort put in. Asuma's flash-back arc is filler-only, because the Anime Producers love the hell out of Shikimaru's character(why not?)

Bleach on the second hand, has a problem with creating the side characters. The author lacks substantial plot, so he invents cool new characters to distract us. I'll hold up the first two-ish Seasons of Bleach as a shining example of a great show, with a quick moving plot and high stakes. But the show decayed(very slowly) since it was unable to hold up the burden of hundreds of originally 1-time characters. Everyone in Bleach works well in small quick doses.

The thing I like about Naruto, happens to be anything involving Naruto. Despite being the most annoying character(both in and out of universe) His arc's are interesting, well written, and relatable. Naruto's training arc with Jiraya early on was a favorite of mine, as it had Tsunade being quite the badass, epic fighting, and Naruto learning to do cool things.
The moment I remember most from that early Season, is a specific moment for Naruto and Jiraya.
Naruto looked up to Jiraya as a surrogate father, and noticing this, Jiraya shot it down IMMEDIATELY. He told Naruto, word for word, that he is not his father, and would not be a father figure. He would be a teacher, and nothing more. Naruto is an adult now, act like it.
To me, this scene came off as waaaaay too mean, like, ouch.
But, seasons(for me, about 7ish years) later, I get to hear Jiraya's backstory. How, despite that conversation, he became a surrogate father to Naruto. Jiraya has a lot of experience as a surrogate father, and people naturally look up to him in that regard. It was his numerous previous failures at being a father that has him try and keep people at a distance. That speaks a lot about his character.

Side Characters are crappy...unless they relate to Naruto himself. The same goes for the eventually introduced Killer Bee, the original Gaara, and the crazy Pain. Side Characters who relate to Naruto in some way are really well written.

Shino, and the rest of the secondary Ninjas, don't relate to Naruto very often. Ergo, they're unimportant and have no/bad arc's. Even Sasuke's character, who I believe was an Editor's decision that eventually overcame the main focus/plot of Naruto, falls flat when compared to Naruto's character development.

The show is named after, and about Naruto. Secondary characters should be seen, but never heard.
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Speaking of Shino/all side characters.

So by the sound of it, it sounds like Naruto does a bad job with its side characters. There are a lot of them, and not nearly enough ever get developed. Some aren't seen for a year. So forth.

Could this be a common probably with the Big Three (bleach, naruto, one piece)? Or long running anime in general.

A lot of side characters are in these, the other two as well. And it might just hard to give enough attention to so many characters.

I haven't watched enough of bleach and one piece to know how they fare with there side characters. I think One Piece though, from what I watch, may fare better because of how its set up.


This problem is mostly the case with Naruto and Bleach from having watched/read them.

There's a lot of power creep that makes certain characters become fodder I mean, what are bugs gonna do against a guy who can summon meteors?
One piece doesn't suffer from this problem a lot because the main cast gets developement from the get-go and is inherently not fixated on combat. There are great long running shows who don't have this problem though. For example: FMA(B), HxH, Monster and a few more.
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