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What Happened to Shino
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Posted 3/17/14 , edited 3/17/14

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Speaking of Shino/all side characters.

So by the sound of it, it sounds like Naruto does a bad job with its side characters. There are a lot of them, and not nearly enough ever get developed. Some aren't seen for a year. So forth.

Could this be a common probably with the Big Three (bleach, naruto, one piece)? Or long running anime in general.

A lot of side characters are in these, the other two as well. And it might just hard to give enough attention to so many characters.

I haven't watched enough of bleach and one piece to know how they fare with there side characters. I think One Piece though, from what I watch, may fare better because of how its set up.


Quite the contrary, the problems with Naruto and Bleach are completely different.

Naruto's side characters are just that, side characters. The author essentially invented them early on, but wanted to focus on Naruto and drop them. So arc's featuring them are poorly planned, and done half-heartedly. Compare Asuma's arc to Jiraya's. Someone had a little more time and effort put in. Asuma's flash-back arc is filler-only, because the Anime Producers love the hell out of Shikimaru's character(why not?)

Bleach on the second hand, has a problem with creating the side characters. The author lacks substantial plot, so he invents cool new characters to distract us. I'll hold up the first two-ish Seasons of Bleach as a shining example of a great show, with a quick moving plot and high stakes. But the show decayed(very slowly) since it was unable to hold up the burden of hundreds of originally 1-time characters. Everyone in Bleach works well in small quick doses.

The thing I like about Naruto, happens to be anything involving Naruto. Despite being the most annoying character(both in and out of universe) His arc's are interesting, well written, and relatable. Naruto's training arc with Jiraya early on was a favorite of mine, as it had Tsunade being quite the badass, epic fighting, and Naruto learning to do cool things.
The moment I remember most from that early Season, is a specific moment for Naruto and Jiraya.
Naruto looked up to Jiraya as a surrogate father, and noticing this, Jiraya shot it down IMMEDIATELY. He told Naruto, word for word, that he is not his father, and would not be a father figure. He would be a teacher, and nothing more. Naruto is an adult now, act like it.
To me, this scene came off as waaaaay too mean, like, ouch.
But, seasons(for me, about 7ish years) later, I get to hear Jiraya's backstory. How, despite that conversation, he became a surrogate father to Naruto. Jiraya has a lot of experience as a surrogate father, and people naturally look up to him in that regard. It was his numerous previous failures at being a father that has him try and keep people at a distance. That speaks a lot about his character.

Side Characters are crappy...unless they relate to Naruto himself. The same goes for the eventually introduced Killer Bee, the original Gaara, and the crazy Pain. Side Characters who relate to Naruto in some way are really well written.

Shino, and the rest of the secondary Ninjas, don't relate to Naruto very often. Ergo, they're unimportant and have no/bad arc's. Even Sasuke's character, who I believe was an Editor's decision that eventually overcame the main focus/plot of Naruto, falls flat when compared to Naruto's character development.

The show is named after, and about Naruto. Secondary characters should be seen, but never heard.


I don't agree with side characters should be seen and never heard. So alot of them that are rarely develop is a weak-point with Naruto as a show and story.

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Posted 3/17/14

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Sacae89 wrote:

Speaking of Shino/all side characters.

So by the sound of it, it sounds like Naruto does a bad job with its side characters. There are a lot of them, and not nearly enough ever get developed. Some aren't seen for a year. So forth.

Could this be a common probably with the Big Three (bleach, naruto, one piece)? Or long running anime in general.

A lot of side characters are in these, the other two as well. And it might just hard to give enough attention to so many characters.

I haven't watched enough of bleach and one piece to know how they fare with there side characters. I think One Piece though, from what I watch, may fare better because of how its set up.


This problem is mostly the case with Naruto and Bleach from having watched/read them.

There's a lot of power creep that makes certain characters become fodder I mean, what are bugs gonna do against a guy who can summon meteors?
One piece doesn't suffer from this problem a lot because the main cast gets developement from the get-go and is inherently not fixated on combat. There are great long running shows who don't have this problem though. For example: FMA(B), HxH, Monster and a few more.


Yea I think One Piece does it good.
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Oh he's still alive, not much around though. I predict he'll survive by the end of the war.

I'm surprised no one asked where Yamato is right now. It's been years since we've seen him.


It's speculated he's the one Spiral Zetsu is "possessing" right now, but yeah, I'd like to know where Yamato is as well. Just for keeping track.
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stark700 wrote:

Oh he's still alive, not much around though. I predict he'll survive by the end of the war.

I'm surprised no one asked where Yamato is right now. It's been years since we've seen him.


It's speculated he's the one Spiral Zetsu is "possessing" right now, but yeah, I'd like to know where Yamato is as well. Just for keeping track.


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I don't agree with side characters should be seen and never heard. So alot of them that are rarely develop is a weak-point with Naruto as a show and story.



I mean to say that Naruto tends to use that logic when it comes to characters that don't relate to Naruto's story. Sakura has no development, any improvement she has is a direct result of Naruto's hard work. Tsunade only exists within the village because Naruto snapped her out of a depression in his own arc. Sakura only got stronger because Naruto was stronger.

Plenty of shows tell their side-characters better. But to pull out a Berserk reference, the Band of the Hawk was as ill-developed as can be, but still had distenguishable characteristics. The story wasn't about them, so they never got any spotlight or character-events. Naruto's cast has a larger fanbase, and they arn't likely to die. So you have problems early on about the story.


Tactics15 wrote:

This problem is mostly the case with Naruto and Bleach from having watched/read them.

There's a lot of power creep that makes certain characters become fodder I mean, what are bugs gonna do against a guy who can summon meteors?
One piece doesn't suffer from this problem a lot because the main cast gets developement from the get-go and is inherently not fixated on combat. There are great long running shows who don't have this problem though. For example: FMA(B), HxH, Monster and a few more.


The "Power Levels" of Naruto are way to vague to begin with, so it's hard to judge anything anybody does. While catching up on Naruto these past few weeks, I spent most of my time wishing Chakra worked like Nen from HxH or Ryuk from Magi. I mean, that shit makes sense at least!

Nen's just....awesome. The only limits happen to be the author and character's imaginations, while the classifications are vague at worst, it becomes highly specific when you need it too. The more powerful, the more likely it required a trade-off. It doesn't have to have a trade off, but sometimes the move just calls for it.

While the whole 'Zombie no Jutsu' Naruto's final season pulled has no actual weakness. Remember when Harry Potter had a magical spell that killed people, and that's it? I can see why it was forbidden.....but how would you even curb that? Well...magic is cool!
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Posted 3/17/14 , edited 3/17/14

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Sacae89 wrote:

I don't agree with side characters should be seen and never heard. So alot of them that are rarely develop is a weak-point with Naruto as a show and story.



I mean to say that Naruto tends to use that logic when it comes to characters that don't relate to Naruto's story. Sakura has no development, any improvement she has is a direct result of Naruto's hard work. Tsunade only exists within the village because Naruto snapped her out of a depression in his own arc. Sakura only got stronger because Naruto was stronger.

Plenty of shows tell their side-characters better. But to pull out a Berserk reference, the Band of the Hawk was as ill-developed as can be, but still had distenguishable characteristics. The story wasn't about them, so they never got any spotlight or character-events. Naruto's cast has a larger fanbase, and they arn't likely to die. So you have problems early on about the story.


Ah I misunderstood, sorry. I thought you meant that as your own thought.

I see what you mean then. If that's the case Naruto's storytelling kind of bothers me. Yea the show is about him. But a world isn't written good enough if it moves only because of the main character. If people only exist and are affected because of him. That's bad writing in my opinion. Sure it can be cool. And I loved the early naruto stuff I watched before the epic size fillers. So it can have good plot.

But at it's core that's bad writing I feel.
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Maybe he booked it after getting upset that Naruto couldn't remember Shino, poor guy. :(
Just kidding, I'd like to see more of Shino though, I feel like a ton of characters in Naruto Shippuden are just forgotten (but then again, there are a TON of characters).
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Ah I misunderstood, sorry. I thought you meant that as your own thought.

I see what you mean then. If that's the case Naruto's storytelling kind of bothers me. Yea the show is about him. But a world isn't written good enough if it moves only because of the main character. If people only exist and are affected because of him. That's bad writing in my opinion. Sure it can be cool. And I loved the early naruto stuff I watched before the epic size fillers. So it can have good plot.

But at it's core that's bad writing I feel.


That depends entirely on what kind of story you wish to tell.

Take "The Big Lebowski" for example. The movie ends with 4 or 5 open and hanging plot threads. Their is no proper conclusion to the vast number of things that happened in the movie.

But "the Dude" doesn't care about those things, ergo the audience shouldn't either. You should care about what the characters care about, everything else can be ignored. The Dude was on a quest to get his rug back, as "it tied the room together", and he got it back, all other plots be damned. This is a staple in Japanese storytelling. They love Character stories that end with the character.

Naruto is supposed to be that type of story. Naruto's journey from Zero to Hero, and it's at it's best when it tells that story.

It's the fan's and producers who want to hear about other characters as well, and that's not always important(or as thought out) to the author. Bleach is an example of this going bad. The world and show of Bleach no longer revolves around Ichigo after the initial seasons, so he easily falls out of focus. The story has no idea where it wants to go, and lacks a central hero to bring it together. Even with Aizen on the loose, if Bleach ended with Ichigo becoming a proper Soul Reaper and going home like that Season did, the fan's would have been far far happier, AND it fits with Japanese storytelling conventions.

You don't have to tell side stories, as they're side stories. They're something the audience wants to learn about AFTER you told your story, and something you can go back to at any time. But you don't invent cool side characters with the intent of telling new stories, that undermines the story you're initially telling.
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That depends entirely on what kind of story you wish to tell.

Take "The Big Lebowski" for example. The movie ends with 4 or 5 open and hanging plot threads. Their is no proper conclusion to the vast number of things that happened in the movie.

But "the Dude" doesn't care about those things, ergo the audience shouldn't either. You should care about what the characters care about, everything else can be ignored. The Dude was on a quest to get his rug back, as "it tied the room together", and he got it back, all other plots be damned. This is a staple in Japanese storytelling. They love Character stories that end with the character.

Naruto is supposed to be that type of story. Naruto's journey from Zero to Hero, and it's at it's best when it tells that story.

It's the fan's and producers who want to hear about other characters as well, and that's not always important(or as thought out) to the author. Bleach is an example of this going bad. The world and show of Bleach no longer revolves around Ichigo after the initial seasons, so he easily falls out of focus. The story has no idea where it wants to go, and lacks a central hero to bring it together. Even with Aizen on the loose, if Bleach ended with Ichigo becoming a proper Soul Reaper and going home like that Season did, the fan's would have been far far happier, AND it fits with Japanese storytelling conventions.

You don't have to tell side stories, as they're side stories. They're something the audience wants to learn about AFTER you told your story, and something you can go back to at any time. But you don't invent cool side characters with the intent of telling new stories, that undermines the story you're initially telling.


Yes but look at your example. Those 4 or 5 open plot threads existed. So the world around the main character existed, and went on without him. I haven't seen the movie, but the way you said they exist and were hanging gave me the idea. So sorry if Im wrong. But I dont mind hanging threads. The fact you saw them and they were left hanging, meant they existed.

That's good writing.I'm not saying we need side stories, but we need to know that they exist. Or the world outside of the main character exists. I'm not saying have full on side stories and lose focus.

But the way it sounds like, the world can't exist without Naruto himself.


There's a big difference.
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Who cares, i dislike his character a little less than sakura.


Sakura aint shit I remember Shino would go into battles and be saving everybody's ass. He is like the Bug version of Shikamaru... Surprisingly he pretty intelligent.

Its sad because people forget he is even a character in the video games as well lol
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Posted 3/21/14
I kind of liked Shino in Part 1, sad he got so little love in part 2
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i mean when you look at team kurenai as a whole why the hell would you show them.. i like hinata but lets be honest kiba is a poor mans naruto and shino.. well i just wish he fought more.
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Posted 3/21/14
To be honest, my first thought clicking on this thread was of this Shino:



It's telling how much I don't care about Naruto anymore.
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I don't mind him being "forgotten," because it means that there's a decent chance that he won't be killed off. Also, he's only a side character, so it's not like the story is supposed to focus on him. Besides, fans can write fan-fiction, create dōjinshi, RPG, and whatnot.

When it comes to stories and their respective characters, my moto is; "Have a problem with it? Utilize your own imagination!"
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Posted 3/21/14

Sacae89 wrote:


Hibria187 wrote:


Sacae89 wrote:


Hibria187 wrote:

Who cares, i dislike his character a little less than sakura.


Sakura gets so much hate.

I honestly haven't kept up with Naruto. She's she hated after the timeskip too?



I liked sakura before time skip if that gives you an idea. In shippuden she needs to be shot



lol that's weird, I disliked Sakura from what I watched. I hoped she got better.

Guess not.


I don't actually mind sakura
however, hinata is fucking useless and just like orihime from bleach, she is basically useless and needs to go
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