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Posted 3/19/14
I give the go ahead because I can. Not going to miss it.
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demongurrl13 wrote:

Just propaganda to trick women into "thinking" they're being empowered.

I would prefer banning the misuse of a legitimate English word like "bitch."


If a word is used in a certain way at all, it's legitimate. There is only rarely such thing as misusing a word, and It never ceases to amaze me that people think words have intrinsic value.
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As a guy, I'd love to known as bossy. Everyone would leave me alone.
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Honestly I've found more males in my life to be bossy than the females. This whole thing is just stupid, like everyone else is saying, and unless it's someone really close to me emotionally, I wouldn't care if someone called me bossy. This is just another attempt for the American public to be censored. Which shouldn't be done. At all.

What are they going to do about books, movies, TV shows, etc.? Are they going to ban the use of the word bossy in all types of media? I'd love to see them try to seriously do that. Especially since I know of several fictional characters, female and male, that that word could be used to describe them. It's such a blanket term anyways. If things keep going like they are with trying to ban certain words, we're going to end up like the people did in the book Fahrenheit 451. Being persecuted and arrested for just having and reading books.
Posted 3/19/14

Atheyon wrote:

If a word is used in a certain way at all, it's legitimate. There is only rarely such thing as misusing a word, and It never ceases to amaze me that people think words have intrinsic value.


So you're saying we don't need dictionaries and I am free to call a cat a canary if I so wish....

Brilliant!

Just fucking brilliant.
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I'd rather men just respect women as much as they respect themselves.
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You are free to call a cat a canary. Whether anyone will understand what you mean is another question. The point of language is to convey ideas, if I were to call you a bitch, you would would know exactly what I mean. Only an idiot or an ignorant would play that off as a misunderstanding. We don't need dictionaries. in fact many languages exist only in spoken form. Dictionaries are convenient for learning, but remember it is people that define words, not dictionaries.

[EDIT]: I was a bit unclear about the usage of a word, I apologize for that.
Posted 3/19/14

Atheyon wrote:

You are free to call a cat a canary. Whether anyone will understand what you mean is another question. The point of language is to convey ideas, if I were to call you a bitch, you would would know exactly what I mean. Only an idiot or an ignorant would play that off as a misunderstanding. We don't need dictionaries. in fact many languages exist only in spoken form. Dictionaries are convenient for learning, but remember it is people that define words, not dictionaries.

[EDIT]: I was a bit unclear about the usage of a word, I apologize for that.


Yes, and we put specific values on words because without doing so there would be no point in having the words in the first place. If a canary can be anything from a bird to a kind of pen that you need to dip in ink first before writing, then what's the point of coming up with different words to refer to everything when we can just call everything a canary?

Example:

I ate canary this morning after giving my canary some canary.

Even better: Regarding what I was talking about with the word 'bitch.' The term literally means "female dog." As in this clip from Harry Potter, she uses it to make an analogy with dogs. She wasn't referring to Harry's mother as a "bitch" as you would normally think it means..

http://youtu.be/wv1_GM3LUa8?t=1m18s

As someone who teaches language for a living, I cannot agree with what you're saying. Using words in the way that you are implying is what causes misunderstanding among people. Especially when there are others who are not too familiar with the language. I have to teach my students to be able to distinctly make the difference in pronunciation between 'beach' and 'bitch' and 'sheet' and 'shit.' The other people in school think it's funny, but I'm serious when I tell my students that the slightest mispronunciation can cause some unexpected consequences depending on who they are talking to and what they're talking about.
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Posted 3/19/14
Seems awfully bossy of them to want to ban a word.

Anyway, I assume they're just saying they want people to avoid criticizing girls who are trying to be leaders. Well, getting criticized is part of being a leader. No one was ever happy with me ordering them around, either. If they stopped portraying girls as being emotionally vulnerable with lines like "Don't call them bossy, it'll hurt their delicate feelings!" then maybe the new generation of girls would actually toughen up like the boys do. Just a thought.
Posted 3/19/14 , edited 3/19/14

Kavalion wrote:

Seems awfully bossy of them to want to ban a word.

Anyway, I assume they're just saying they want people to avoid criticizing girls who are trying to be leaders. Well, getting criticized is part of being a leader. No one was ever happy with me ordering them around, either. If they stopped portraying girls as being emotionally vulnerable with lines like "Don't call them bossy, it'll hurt their delicate feelings!" then maybe the new generation of girls would actually toughen up like the boys do. Just a thought.


You added "like the boys do" Why did you add that? Why do they have to? No, why compare? Why any comparison? I read somewhere it's an insult to yourself to want to be like someone else. Is that true?
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Posted 3/19/14

Leechan69 wrote:

Like some come on people. Why aren't we talking about real issues? Why are they wasting my time? This #BanBossy is so stupid.


what does that even mean?
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Posted 3/19/14

demongurrl13 wrote:
the slightest mispronunciation can cause some unexpected consequences


Aye, like having to repeat yourself. The terror.

I'd type more, but there's this bitchin' new series I've been meaning to watch. Ciao.
Posted 3/19/14

Kavalion wrote:

Aye, like having to repeat yourself. The terror.

I'd type more, but there's this bitchin' new series I've been meaning to watch. Ciao.


I'd hate to bitch, so I guess just enjoy the show.
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Posted 3/19/14 , edited 3/19/14

Okay, I know where you’re coming from now.

I am aware that bitch also means female dog, but I am also aware that it is most commonly used as derogatory term for people—women in particular. Simply because a word is not in a dictionary does not mean it is not a word. And it is not the purpose of language to be clear.

I mean, take a look at “their,” “there,” and “they’re.” Seriously, what the fuck’s up with that. They all sound exactly the same.

As a person who also teaches language, I tell people that worrying about pronouncing something wrong is only going to make them do it more. It is much better to use the context of a situation to determine what the meaning of a word is. And likewise, if you make a mistake in the pronunciation of a word, it is likely that who you are talking to will understand through context. Pronunciation will come in time.



Going back to bitch, the phrase “I want to go to the beach,” with beach pronounced more like bitch, is likely to be said after the question “where would you like to go on vacation?” In such a scenario it is almost impossible for the person asking the question to misunderstand what the other means.

As a more fun example, you can replace “their,” “there,” and “they’re” with a single word in writing with almost no loss to meaning (I’ll make one up for example). “Thar some people that go thar to drink thar beer.”

I do not mean that you could say whatever fuck you want to someone and expect them to understand it, but I do mean that if enough people use a word to mean the same thing, it’s a word. After all, words are just sounds with meaning that we collectively believe in.

Howdy, for example, is actually a contraction of “how do you do.” But nowadays, if you tell someone how you’re doing if they say howdy to you, you’re stupid.

Egregious means “really fucking bad,” but it originally meant something really good. Then everyone started using it sarcastically.



Sorry, this was long. Wanna be friends?



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Posted 3/19/14

Artarivan wrote:You added "like the boys do" Why did you add that? Why do they have to? No, why compare? Why any comparison? I read somewhere it's an insult to yourself to want to be like someone else. Is that true?


We're on the subject of why girls have less confidence than boys when it comes to leadership. This is like comparing a woman's salary to a man's salary. It's not an insult to want want to be paid the same as a man for the same job, nor is it an insult to want girls to have the same confidence as boys when it's clearly a helpful trait when it comes to things like leadership. You sort of have to compare when you're examining gender inequalities.
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