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Posted 3/19/14

pandrasb wrote:


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They're not attacking the actual word "bossy." They're attacking the cultural mindset that men are leaders, women are not. Men who show leadership abilities are values, women who show leadership abilities are put down as "bossy." That's where the slogan came from.


A leader takes on the burdens of the group and is strong, charismatic, smart, responsible, they know where their going, they speak for the group.

If they can't take a little heat like being called bossy, would you want to follow that leader?


Again, it is not a campaign against literally calling people bossy. It is a campaign against the cultural perspective that men are leaders, women are not.
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This is so asinine and stupid because it does not change anything people could easily evoke synonyms, homonyms, antonyms, etc, of that word to find another word to replace it, Even worse people will just invent new words to take over from there; not to mention this issue is totally pointless because guys do get shit too if we are ever assertive we are called brown nosers, ass kissers, assholes, douche bags, and cue

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Again, it is not a campaign against literally calling people bossy. It is a campaign against the cultural perspective that men are leaders, women are not.
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Artarivan wrote:You argued against the ban like there is some truth to it.


There is some truth to more girls having problems with confidence than boys. It's somewhat serious, which is why there are so many activists attacking anything that could damage a girl's confidence, like fashion magazines, the word "bossy", and such.


I see. 1. It's just that I read somewhere something about how girls were leaving boys behind in terms of education etc. so I didn't believe that confidence was the issue. 2. Women criticize each other more than men do them in my opinion.
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Ah. I see.
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Posted 3/19/14

mdmzero0 wrote:


Kavalion wrote:


Artarivan wrote:You argued against the ban like there is some truth to it.


There is some truth to more girls having problems with confidence than boys. It's somewhat serious, which is why there are so many activists attacking anything that could damage a girl's confidence, like fashion magazines, the word "bossy", and such.


They're not attacking the actual word "bossy." They're attacking the cultural mindset that men are leaders, women are not. Men who show leadership abilities are values, women who show leadership abilities are put down as "bossy." That's where the slogan came from.


Aye, don't worry. "Anyway, I assume they're just saying they want people to avoid criticizing girls who are trying to be leaders," was what I said before. Don't worry, I get what they're trying to do. Literally banning a word would be impressive indeed.
Posted 3/19/14

mdmzero0 wrote:


KiteCross wrote:

This is so asinine and stupid because it does not change anything people could easily evoke synonyms, homonyms, antonyms, etc, of that word to find another word to replace it, Even worse people will just invent new words to take over from there; not to mention this issue is totally pointless because guys do get shit too if we are ever assertive we are called brown nosers, ass kissers, assholes, douche bags, and cue

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Again, it is not a campaign against literally calling people bossy. It is a campaign against the cultural perspective that men are leaders, women are not.


Yes this ^. All the criticism seem to only bring this to light.
Posted 3/19/14

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If that by calling them "bossy" you mean it as an attempt to put them down and ensure that they don't hold leadership roles, and also that you and yourself alone are the single driving force behind determining American culture and social perspectives, then yes, I would campaign against that.

Again, as I've said, it's not a literal fight to ban the word "bossy." It is not intended to make the word "bossy" illegal. It is intended to bring awareness and change to the cultural perspective that a women who shows leadership qualities should be put down until she chooses not to lead anymore.


Hell yeah, it's to put men down.

Bossy mofos keep telling me to make them sandwiches and shit...

That's not leadership, sir.

Ok, fine.. I'm gonna be serious now. Sorry, I got exposed to too much catnip.

Women are not the only ones being put down for leadership. It happens to men too. My problem with this is that they're turning it into a battle of the sexes when it really shouldn't be. Both sexes get put down and bullied. I don't get why it automatically becomes a sexist problem when it happens to girls/women.

No special treatment. (Unless I ask for it ) That's what equality really is. Launching a campaign specifically FOR women is sexist against men in my opinion.
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Artarivan wrote:


Kavalion wrote:


Artarivan wrote:You argued against the ban like there is some truth to it.


There is some truth to more girls having problems with confidence than boys. It's somewhat serious, which is why there are so many activists attacking anything that could damage a girl's confidence, like fashion magazines, the word "bossy", and such.


I see. 1. It's just that I read somewhere something about how girls were leaving boys behind in terms of education etc. so I didn't believe that confidence was the issue. 2. Women criticize each other more than men do them in my opinion.


This is true, women are actually scoring better then men during standardized tests/education. The problem is they're preforming better, yet being passed over for the actual important roles/jobs.

Case in point: http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2012/08/22/introducing-the-new-class-of-female-ceos/

4% of Fortune 500 companies have a female CEO. 4%. Do you think the world is 96% male? Or possibly, despite evidence showing women doing better in school, they're still being passed over because of a cultural bias?

I think the second is true. Even sadder, that 4% is a record high. Do you see the problem now?
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mdmzero0 wrote:

If that by calling them "bossy" you mean it as an attempt to put them down and ensure that they don't hold leadership roles, and also that you and yourself alone are the single driving force behind determining American culture and social perspectives, then yes, I would campaign against that.

Again, as I've said, it's not a literal fight to ban the word "bossy." It is not intended to make the word "bossy" illegal. It is intended to bring awareness and change to the cultural perspective that a women who shows leadership qualities should be put down until she chooses not to lead anymore.


Hell yeah, it's to put men down.

Bossy mofos keep telling me to make them sandwiches and shit...

That's not leadership, sir.

Ok, fine.. I'm gonna be serious now. Sorry, I got exposed to too much catnip.

Women are not the only ones being put down for leadership. It happens to men too. My problem with this is that they're turning it into a battle of the sexes when it really shouldn't be. Both sexes get put down and bullied. I don't get why it automatically becomes a sexist problem when it happens to girls/women.

No special treatment. (Unless I ask for it ) That's what equality really is. Launching a campaign specifically FOR women is sexist against men in my opinion.


See my post above- the reason this campaign is happening is because of the HUGE disparity in men vs. women leadership roles. They're trying to even it out, so that it matches the actual distribution of qualified men and women. I have no problem with that.
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pandrasb wrote:


mdmzero0 wrote:

They're not attacking the actual word "bossy." They're attacking the cultural mindset that men are leaders, women are not. Men who show leadership abilities are values, women who show leadership abilities are put down as "bossy." That's where the slogan came from.


A leader takes on the burdens of the group and is strong, charismatic, smart, responsible, they know where their going, they speak for the group.

If they can't take a little heat like being called bossy, would you want to follow that leader?


Again, it is not a campaign against literally calling people bossy. It is a campaign against the cultural perspective that men are leaders, women are not.


I don't mind calling a woman a leader, so +1 against the cultural perspective

well as long as they are strong
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I saw it from the start but alas my weakness is my communication skills since I only work with numbers mostly.
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mdmzero0 wrote:

If that by calling them "bossy" you mean it as an attempt to put them down and ensure that they don't hold leadership roles, and also that you and yourself alone are the single driving force behind determining American culture and social perspectives, then yes, I would campaign against that.

Again, as I've said, it's not a literal fight to ban the word "bossy." It is not intended to make the word "bossy" illegal. It is intended to bring awareness and change to the cultural perspective that a women who shows leadership qualities should be put down until she chooses not to lead anymore.


Hell yeah, it's to put men down.

Bossy mofos keep telling me to make them sandwiches and shit...

That's not leadership, sir.

Ok, fine.. I'm gonna be serious now. Sorry, I got exposed to too much catnip.

Women are not the only ones being put down for leadership. It happens to men too. My problem with this is that they're turning it into a battle of the sexes when it really shouldn't be. Both sexes get put down and bullied. I don't get why it automatically becomes a sexist problem when it happens to girls/women.

No special treatment. (Unless I ask for it ) That's what equality really is. Launching a campaign specifically FOR women is sexist against men in my opinion.


I agree with Demon Gurl 99.9%

also sorry bout da sandwiches
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The best leaders of either gender lead by inspiring others to follow without the need to even appear bossy.
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The best leaders of either gender lead by inspiring others to follow without the need to even appear bossy.


It's not saying people need to be more or less bossy.

It's saying that as a culture, we need to stop ignoring girls with leadership potential by just saying "she's not a leader, she's just bossy."
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Posted 3/19/14 , edited 3/19/14

mdmzero0 wrote:


demongurrl13 wrote:


mdmzero0 wrote:

They're not attacking the actual word "bossy." They're attacking the cultural mindset that men are leaders, women are not. Men who show leadership abilities are values, women who show leadership abilities are put down as "bossy." That's where the slogan came from.


I call men bossy.... you guys gonna launch a slogan against me now too?


If that by calling them "bossy" you mean it as an attempt to put them down and ensure that they don't hold leadership roles, and also that you and yourself alone are the single driving force behind determining American culture and social perspectives, then yes, I would campaign against that.

Again, as I've said, it's not a literal fight to ban the word "bossy." It is not intended to make the word "bossy" illegal. It is intended to bring awareness and change to the cultural perspective that a women who shows leadership qualities should be put down until she chooses not to lead anymore.


I see where you are coming from, but depending on the perspective, people are going to disagree with the concept. I've personally know women who are managers at my job and they may get a variety of mean spirited comments behind their back, it's rarely "bossy". In fact, whenever I hear "bossy" and similar comments, it's targeted at little children regardless of sex. I've playfully called a little cousin "Miss Bossy Boots" because she would demand the goofiest things from me at all times. The point is, if you are a leader type, there are better ways a go about being a leader. Most who get called "bossy" are people who treat people like slaves with no other purpose than to serve.

And there is a massive difference between trying to instil positive leadership skills and crushing the plans of someone by insulting them just because they are female. Or maybe I just live in a progressive area where this is moot.
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