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Fred phelps founder of the westboro baptist chruch died
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Posted 3/21/14
Don't know much about him, but from reading the comments here i'm gonna assume he is a *insert bad word*. Either way he is dead now and harboring hate for the dead is pretty much pointless.
Posted 3/21/14
I wonder if he'd wake up surprised at where he might find himself... Or perhaps he'll never wake up to find out if the truth he held on to for so long was real.
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It's sad when you can confidently say the world is a better place now that he's gone, but it's true. Hopefully it'll mean the end of his hate-driven "church" as well. He's hurt enough people.
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Posted 3/21/14
I think nothing of value was lost from his death.
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mdmzero0 wrote:

It's sad when you can confidently say the world is a better place now that he's gone, but it's true. Hopefully it'll mean the end of his hate-driven "church" as well. He's hurt enough people.


No, the world isn't a better place now that he's gone. He was definitely a terrible person, but there are much bigger issues that make this world a terrible place rather than some nut-job spreading his stupid, hateful message.Almost everyone knew it was wrong to begin with, so how does that make the world a better place now that he died?Nobody that I've ever heard of besides other members of the WBC followed his teachings, and we've done quite a lot to combat his hate while he was still alive so he couldn't hurt more people.This is just my opinion though.The WBC will definitely live on awhile longer while Shirley Phelps is alive and I can practically say that is a fact.
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Posted 3/21/14
This----->
And This---->
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And as for him being a bigot, he was the biggest, worst, most vile anti-LGBT bigot the world has ever seen.


There's probably a few people who have him beat, but he's definitely on the list.
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demongurrl13 wrote:

I wonder if he'd wake up surprised at where he might find himself... Or perhaps he'll never wake up to find out if the truth he held on to for so long was real.


Mabe he was just sleeping and he wakes up in a box.
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He has 13 children, 4 of whom have disowned him and their other 9 siblings. Those 4 children, two men and two women, have denounced the man himself as “a vitrolic, megalomaniacal sadistic psychopath.” I can’t phrase it better than that, and yet, it still does not fully capture the personality of this man. Ordinarily, the lister should remain aloof from the list, but in this case, except for his congregation, which officially numbers 71, 60 of whom are Phelps’s relatives, it is highly doubtful if anyone else on the planet agrees with, or even slightly supports, Phelps’s savage, barbaric perversion of Christianity and its founder. So I don’t feel quite so bad about being biased.His “ministry” at the Westboro Baptist Church, which he founded, in Topeka, Kansas, is based almost entirely on anti-homosexuality, which is one of the easiest, if not the easiest, sin to denounce by means of quoting the Bible. Phelps feels he can condemn the entire world, but especially the United States of America, the latter which he has described as a liberal hellhole that supports homosexuality. That’s a very, VERY cleaned-up paraphrase of his graphic, disgustingly profane diction.Whereas, there are plenty of verses to quote against hatred, “Love thine enemies” just one of them, as quoted above. Phelps and his worshipers (since they certainly don’t worship Jesus) petulantly ignore these verses and enjoy themselves by hating others. It is a physical and emotional release, a pleasure just as sensual as that garnered by loving others.He may never have begun a sentence with “God loves…” For him, sermons ought to begin with “God hates…” Most of the time that blank is filled in with homosexual slurs.He extrapolates God’s hatred for gays to ridiculous lengths, denouncing the entire world as imminently doomed to Hell, except for…you guessed it: him and his precious few followers.His two estranged sons have described him as “a malignant narcissist, with the same short, viciously intemperate disposition as a serial killer toward his victims.” The only reason he has not killed anyone is not because he views it as a sin, but because it would give the rest of the world more universal ground on which to stand against him. He prefers to set himself up as God on Earth, perfect and blamelessly instigatory.His oldest daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, has defended their actions as righteous with every word, according to the Bible, and forcing “the sinful American nation to open its mouth and condemn itself.”He and his congregation picket at least 6 churches and political establishments around their hometown everyday, with signs that read, “God Hates F_gs,” “Thank God for Dead American Soldiers,” “America is Going to Hell,” etc. They do this for the sole purpose of offending and causing wanton emotional distress. They picket the funerals of dead soldiers, screaming at the families, even while they grieve at the gravesides, that the soldier has gone to Hell and so will they. Then they laugh. They have been sued at least once, successfully, but they successfully appealed this suit and paid nothing.Phelps is the man responsible for sending these brainwashed fools, who revel in their own malice, across the country. He has condemned every single President, from the time he was old enough to care, as the Antichrist. He has even called President Obama “a n____r” on several occasions.


Quoted from Listverse about Fred Phelps, Sr.
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^^^ People should read that wall of text. Also, when they picket at funerals and distress grieving people who have lost loved ones, you better believe some very hurt and angry people confront them and make threats at them. And then the westboro church members sue the people who make threats and almost always win a sum of money from it. The westboro church people, with its dozens of members, year after year, for about two decades, has mostly been financially supported by suing hurt, emotionally assaulted, grieving loved ones at funerals; financially supported by plainly VICTIMIZING people. It's so, so low and terrible, and the same thing is true of Fred Phelps and his followers.

They even picketed the funerals of children from the school shooting at Sandy Hook in Connecticut (the one where about 20 elementary school kids were shot to death, along with 6 adults). They were overjoyed when the Boston Marathon bombings happened, and I think they tried to picket funerals, including one for a young child. When that mentally ill person shot Gabriel Giffords in Arizona, permanently injuring her and killing multiple people, including a 9 year old girl, the westboro church (maybe even from Phelps himself) proclaimed "God sent the killer". When the movie theater shooting happened in Colorado, they were overjoyed and picketed funerals. And they blamed all these tragedies and tragedies in America in general on things like Americans tolerating LGBT people, or because a state with a tragedy allows gay marriage, or some other crazy reason involving LGBT people. They are obsessed, to the point it is like they are mentally ill (and they certainly are VERY spiritually ill) about gays and homosexuality, and of course as people know they are vehemently anti-LGBT, to the point where they hate and condemn not just gays, but going as extreme to condemn people not just for tolerating gays, but condemning people for not condemning gays like they do.

And Fred Phelps is the man who really created and crafted this monster known as the westboro baptist church. There is actually lots more that can be said about why that man and his organization are so terrible and so vile. People need to understand that that man and his organization are (and for Phelps, 'was') truly, utterly terrible and it certainly is good riddance to pastor Phelps and the world will truly be a better place when the westboro church finally goes away.
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I can't seem to understand the amount of hatred for this guy. I've seen in some circles that they're planning on protesting at his funeral just to spite him and his actions while alive. If you look at his youth, you'll see the progression of his choices and actions. People end up taking more negative paths when obstructive events have happened in their lives. Some go down routes that are far more sinister and hate-filled than what Fred Phelps decided upon doing. Continuing to use hatred as one's rebuttal against his own is rather counter-productive.Of course, I feel that those who say how much of a bigot and how the greatest contribution of his life was his death are a bit misguided themselves. Even his negativity was enough to cause some to fight for their rights as human beings; which is always a start.

Be it their sexuality, it was/is a start. What Phelps did was a bit misguided on a larger scale; yet, at least he did some good indirectly (and somewhat, directly). We're all creations of our environments - he lost his mother at a young age, to which I'm sure he was unable to understand (coming from having lost my own when I was twelve, I somewhat relate to that). The path he chose was one that allowed him to feed the hatred that came from such an event. You have that choice, to be consumed by the rage and confusion of your loss. It isn't the greatest choice and its side-effects varies based on the person. Regardless, in this case, he ended up becoming the homophobic beast that he was. Those would would argue that, as he was up in age, that he should have seen the error of his ways would not quite understand how large of ripples decisions can be in your life/time-stream. One ripple can magnify another, and another, on and on.. which just causes people like Phelps to exist. Too many ripples cause the entire foundation to become unstable. You can see that with the fact that he was estranged from so many of his family members and close friends (throughout his life).

We all need to learn to not reciprocate hatred with more hatred and bias against them. It doesn't really work like that. Life is about forgiveness; not about blame. I forgive him for his actions and only hope that his death was a peaceful one.
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Every country has a man like Phelps in it that they are not proud of. All we can hope for that his church dies out and it take a long time for another man like him to come along.
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ninjitsuko wrote:
Of course, I feel that those who say how much of a bigot and how the greatest contribution of his life was his death are a bit misguided themselves. Even his negativity was enough to cause some to fight for their rights as human beings; which is always a start.


Now I said I don't hate the man, but I won't hesitate to state the fact that he was a terrible person, but I'm a bit offended...I'm a bit misguided for being upset with a man who did so many terrible things and brought so much harm into the world (including all the victimized people who were sued after being outright, completely provoked, and including the fact that he brainwashed dozens of his family members, making them into terrible people), yet you aren't a bit misguided for making excuses for why he was so bad. I understand having some compassion for bad and terrible people. I have compassion for so many bad and terrible people. But you just made excuses for why pastor Phelps was so bad. Yeah, he lost his mother. I've gone through some hard experiences in my life. I'm not a terrible person. Lots of people go through hard experiences and don't end up being completely terrible. Let us not make excuses for this pastor. Yes, if you break down every little event in his life, you can see how A lead to B lead to C lead to D and so forth. But we can't make excuses for every terrible person. There are no good excuses for why this man was as bad as he was.

When the news that this pastor died hit the web...I've seen multiple people on high horses, talking down to everyone that was happy he isn't in this world anymore or people expressing hate towards him. Now it looks like you are kinda trumping yourself up as better than even those who are just upset with this man. Like someone said in another thread about this topic, "don't break your legs when you get off your high horse".

Again, I don't hate that man (and his followers), and it took me effort to not fall down a slippery slope of just letting hateful feelings run rampant...hating this pastor, being happy he is dead*, and so forth, aren't good things and should be discouraged, but it is acceptable to be upset with him and his followers. It is acceptable to be upset with the unjust people of the world and those who prey on and victimize others and those who deliberately cause suffering and distress.

* I'm not quite "happy he is dead", as in I think of him as scum, sub-human, etc., but I can certainly say I'm glad he isn't in the world anymore because he has caused so much suffering in the last couple of decades and now with him gone, there should be a bit less suffering with his malice gone, and more importantly, there is a real chance the westboro church, which is still a great big problem, might dwindle and diminish in the next several years.
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probably gunna make out with a girl on his grave later. throw in some groping action.
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Posted 3/22/14 , edited 3/22/14

ninjitsuko wrote:

I can't seem to understand the amount of hatred for this guy. I've seen in some circles that they're planning on protesting at his funeral just to spite him and his actions while alive.


Your entire post was great, but this line struck me.

Seriously? People seriously want to do this?

Look. The dude was terrible. He was an absolute son of a bitch, to put it mildly. Few will miss him. But his horrible actions do not give anyone license to do equally terrible things to him and his family. Why would you stoop to his level? Why can't you be the better person? Why can't we just acknowledge he was a scum of the earth, accept his passing graciously (never rejoice in the death of anyone), and move on with our lives?

People confuse me.
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