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What makes a Fight Good in Anime?
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Posted 3/25/14 , edited 3/25/14

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God I need to watch this anime again, so good.


I wish they would have adapted the rest of the novels, of which there are eight excluding Guardian of the Spirit. The second book, Guardian of Darkness, focuses on Balsa as she goes back to her homeland and faces her past -- the demons of her past, if you will. Hence the title, perhaps. Though, Guardian of the Spirit stands out on its own well enough, so I'm content.

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Sacae89 wrote:


God I need to watch this anime again, so good.


I wish they would have adapted the rest of the novels, of which there are eight excluding Guardian of the Spirit. The second book, Guardian of Darkness, focuses on Balsa as she goes back to her homeland and faces her past -- the demons of her past, if you will. Hence the title, perhaps. Though, Guardian of the Spirit stands out on its own well enough, so I'm content.



I wasn't area there were books. I guess it wasn't enough sales for more seasons?

Someone told me where I could re watch the anime legally, but I forgot.
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I like power of friendship :(


Well, as I said in an earlier post, I'm okay with it if fights are not realistic to begin with. For example, I like it if Mako from Kill la Kill manages to become super strong because she wants to protect Ryuko, 'cos anyway the fights in that show are simply ridiculous and entertaining. But in a more serious show/fight, the simple "power of friendship" powerup is annoying. Even One Piece, with all its talking about nakamas, doesn't really do that, Luffy may find the determination to learn a new technique because he wants to protect his friends but he won't get a random power up out of nothing. He never wins a fight that was not already close from the start, and when he faced many stronger enemies he really couldn't do anything.
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I wasn't area there were books. I guess it wasn't enough sales for more seasons?

Someone told me where I could re watch the anime legally, but I forgot.


The first two books were translated, but, yes, due to poor sales they suspended the rest. They're still available, though, if you want to get em. You can watch Moribito on Netflix, if I remember correctly. It used to be on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, where I happened to first see it. And, if nothing else, you can just buy a copy on Amazon, Rightstuf, or one of your local video stores if they have one available. I, myself, got the DVD complete collection -- which they just stacked the discs on top of one another into one case, but it was only $20 or so. The Blu-rays are around $50 or so, but can go up to over $100 because of availablity issues, and is divided into two parts.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Moribito-Guardian-of-the-Spirit-Part-1-Blu-ray/18731/

http://www.mania.com/moribito-guardian-sacred-spirit-part-1_article_126978.html

I should have got the Blu-rays, given it's not an upscale as far as I'm aware. The show deserves the best quality. Ah well...
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Sacae89 wrote:

I wasn't area there were books. I guess it wasn't enough sales for more seasons?

Someone told me where I could re watch the anime legally, but I forgot.


The first two books were translated, but, yes, due to poor sales they suspended the rest. They're still available, though, if want to get em. You can watch Moribito on Netflix, if I remember correctly. It used to be on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim, where I happened to first see it. And, if nothing else, you can just buy a copy on Amazon, Rightstuf, or one of your local video stores if they have one available. I, myself, got the DVD complete collection -- which they just stacked the discs on top of one another into one case, but it was only $20 or so. The Blu-rays are around $50 or so, but can go up to over $100 because of availablity issues, and is divided into two parts.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Moribito-Guardian-of-the-Spirit-Part-1-Blu-ray/18731/

http://www.mania.com/moribito-guardian-sacred-spirit-part-1_article_126978.html

I should have got the Blu-rays, given it's not an upscale as far as I'm aware. The show deserves the best quality. Ah well...


Thanks

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Speaking literal fights (i will put everything here even if you mentioned it)
1. They have to have a point, no stupid "I fight because i want to" having an aim makes it more interesting
2. Constant events, have a lot going on no long pauses etc to speak or stare unless done well
3. Choreography, realistic and smooth movements just make fights so much better
(Look at Kiritsugu vs. Kirei, epic shit)
4. No cliche'd abilities unless a good reason (Etc Beams fml)
5. If you have a power up it needs relevant foreshadowing and not bullshi**ery, don't make it so they're completely dominant over the other after getting it
6. Also no having constant exchanges of power ups (Fairy tails final ep for example)
7. When fighting to the death no "Holding back" this type of thing kind of pisses me off since no-one holds back when they may die
8. Suitable duration, fights can last an episode or two depending on the type of fight, but generally half an episode or less is good for a fast paced encounter
9. OST placement and suitability
10. Linking in with powerups, the character should have what he has when he starts the fight, speaking resources wise, no pulling shit out of your ass to perform some crazy shit
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If you want to see two very good Mecha battles, check out Izuru vs Jiart in episode 14 and 24. IMO, those two were badass.

As far as describing fights, I get annoyed at the "I'm with my friends so I can do anything and suddenly greater than 9000 fighting power" style. I found myself fast forwarding through Saint Seiya a lot to just avoid those 3 minute speeches on friendship. My opinion is don't get knocked on your ass in the first place because certainly you were friends with someone before and after so why wait until you get your ass kicked before you decide to pull some "extra power" out of thin air? It would have been nice to see more emphasis made about Koga's dark and light side maybe being a reason why he gets sudden bursts of power. While I get fighting to save the life of others gives you determination and the will to never give up, I also like there being more to it. For instance, Naruto was about that as well, but then he would randomly be able to access the Nine Tails Chakra and sometimes it cost him (like when he transformed versus Orichamaru and struck Sakura in the arm with one of his tails) and then we would see him struggle with wanting more power, but not to the point where he loses his ability to reason with the situation.

One anime that surprised me in particular was Girls Und Panzer. While it may be a battle with tanks, you're having to strategize with the strengths and weaknesses of each tank on your team while also remembering what your opponents strengths and weaknesses are, plus the area you are fighting in (terrain, climate, etc...) which creates its own hazards.

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Badass lines....

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When there isn't too much exposition in a fight. We don't need you explaining everything we just saw, Speedwagon...
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1. Hot guys
2. Swords or other sharp weapons
3. LOTS of BLOOD!!
4. more hot guys.. and some more blood

That's all I need for a good fight!
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I like it when a fight doesn't get to stretched out just to have flashback like in Naruto. I don't like it when fights involve spamming the same move over and over again like in bleach. I don't like it when fights have fan service thrown in for no reason like in fairy fail. Some of the best fight scenes I've seen usually involve lesser characters, or less important characters. Characters like shikamaru, Ikkaku, Gajeel, ect. These guys have some really good fights, because they don't have to follow the set rules the protagonist placed in every fight. Shikamaru doesn't have to spam rasengan or have a random flashback, Ikkaku doesn't have to spam getsuga, and Gajeel doesn't have to use bland fire and can mix things up. I strongly believe however the best fight scenes are the ones that actually involve team work to take down an enemy. It brings the importance of lesser characters out while giving the protagonist a stronger reason to fight. Prime examples One piece thriller bark, the strawhats all work together to fight a common enemy everyone serving their own roles to take out Oz. Rurouni Kenshin, everyone on kenshin sides fights against shishio staling enough so that kenshin can fight again. Bleach Yourichi, Urahara, and Isshin vs Aizen, all these characters trying their best to make it so Ichigo can escape. But most importantly I feel fights all depend of reason if a fight doesn't have a good reason I feel its harder to get behind. Thats why I don't really like any fights in Naruto or Fairy fail, sure many fights have reasons to them but the reasons just feel so generic and plain plus both of them hog the spotlight. I think I perfect fight pays respect to the person they are fighting against and has a good rime or reason to it, not just he is the bad guy go get him...
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I Hear ya man but Naruto fights are the shit, well mainly because kishi is influenced heavily by Hunter x Hunter but Deidera vs Sasuke? Sasuke vs Itashi, Naruto part 1 fights? You gotta love that strategy man
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Yusuke vs Toguro, Goku vs Vegeta, Freeza, Gohan vs Cell, Ichigo vs Byakuya, vs Grimmjow, vs Ulqiorra, Hinata vs Neji, Lee vs Gaara, Sasuke vs Itachi etc...I guess I could go on & on naming fights, but anybody whose seen these should know its a combination of the right music with the right emotions that get you as a real person to feel for that animated character. It can't be drawn out nor can it be rushed.
Another thing I like personally is the unfairness of some of the happenings in Hunter x Hunter. There are some fights you just know are bound to happen but then something else happens that puts everything into an unfair disarray. If you've read/or watched it then you should know what I mean.
I love a good swordplay fight, guns are always boring & are the pansy way out. If there's no swordplay then melee/taijutsu whatever you wish to call it is always another great way to go about it. Like parts of the Kakashi vs Kakuzu fight where he just went at him not using nin or genjutsu.
Actually any weapon fight is better than all gun fights as long as the weapons are of a reasonable size. Having something that's larger than your body & your opponents body put together, yet you have the movement speed of Sonic, Superman & the flash put together while using said oversized weapon is just stupid.
kunoichi fights are pretty great too. Not like naruto either, no fan service with clothes being torn to shreads just because they're women. Just good old kunoichi with crazy good skills using tools like a kusari gama, wakizashi, kunai knives, shiruken etc, fighting one another. I love a good strong kunoichi who will own any man looking down on her simply because she's female.
But in the end, it's all about the feels...
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Blood and choir music in the background
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I really think flashbacks are a waste of time, especially in the context you seem to like them in, which is Naruto. Naruto doesn't need to have death flags, they just have flashbacks. It's so predictable, the flashbacks happen every single time a new character has a fight that they might have trouble in.

I think it's also good when characters get a chance to show off their strength during the early stages of the battle. This can either be by two powerful enemies noticing each other and fighting across a battlefield to each other, or it could just be them feeling each other out at the start of the fight. An example would be Kill la Kill, but it also happened when Jin fought right near the end of Champloo.

Following on from what you said about strategy, it's good when the basic styles of the two enemies are very different, and neither person has an advantage over each other due to their ability set. Having the protagonist being more powerful isn't good, and having the antagonist obviously more powerful but still lose gets tiresome too. Bleach was a big serial offender with this. It's not always a bad thing though. The fight against Youpi in HunterxHunter was brilliantly done, and they certainly gave him a run for his money.

My top pick for what makes a good fight comes under the heading of surprise. You shouldn't be able to predict the next move, or the next camera movement, or the next taunt. The clip you played from Attack on Titan was a good example.
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