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Is standing by your principles really the great thing society makes it out to be?
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Posted 3/21/14 , edited 3/22/14
Hey, I wanted to ask what your thoughts are on hypocrisy and standing by your principles. I bring this up because of something a Youtuber (who you may have heard of) called Totalbiscuit bringing this up on a Twitch stream. Now it helps if you understand games here but if you don't, nevermind.

Now, a couple of years back TB said Super Smash Brothers should never be taken as an e-sports title, or a competitive game seriously because Nintendo didn't take it seriously either. That it was a party game for a bit of fun and that was it. Later down the line, his views changed after he watched some people playing competitively and he thought that it was definitely more complex than he initially gave it credit for. People then called him out as a hypocrite for saying he now liked it when initially he was against it, as if people can't change their views over time.

What do you think about that? We often hear 'Oh, he's standing by his principles and what he believes is right, good on him' but if all the evidence points against you and you then eventually change your views, don't you deserve a pat on the back rather than a kick in the face? What someone believed at one point is not neccessarily representative of what they believe now.

Now, a hypocrite is, for those who for whatever reason don't know, a person who claims to believe in the opposite of their actual beliefs and/or principles. Now, this would apply to TB if time hadn't progressed long enough for his views to change after he gained more information on the matter at hand, but most people disregard the passage of time in situations like this. But what do you think? Is it better to stand thoroughly by your beliefs through thick and thin, or should we be more forgiving and accepting to those who change their views rather than calling them a lying hypocrite?

More importantly, when you see a comment someone made on the internet a few years ago, do you automatically believe what they said then is still representative of what they believe now? Do you bother to check the date they made a statement that was the opposite of what they initially claimed?

If you want the link then here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-fzymESv4

Also, please play nice, guys. Feel free to disagree with each other, but no going at each others throat. It's just a question on a message board not a matter of life and death.
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You should stand by your principles, but they should also be subject to change and be flexible if someone were to provide reasonable reasons as to why you should change them.Changing them after you've thought about it and found a more acceptable option is not hypocritical at all.
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Someone who has enough sense to realize that they had made a mistake before and is open enough to accept a different truth than what they initially held on to is no hypocrite.
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I think principles and opinions (not to mention "Principals") are being confused here.
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mlchanges wrote:

I think principles and opinions (not to mention "Principals") are being confused here.


Not so much a mistake between opinions and principles, but between principles and principals.Even I didn't know I made that mistake as well as the OP until you mentioned it
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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Hey, I wanted to ask what your thoughts are on hypocrisy and standing by your principals. I bring this up because of something a Youtuber (who you may have heard of) called Totalbiscuit brought this up on a Twitch stream. Now it helps if you understand games here but if you don't, nevermind.

Now, a couple of years back TB said Super Smash Brothers should never be taken as an e-sports title, or a competitive game seriously because Nintendo didn't take it seriously either. That it was a party game for a bit of fun and that was it. Later down the line, his views changed after he watched some people playing competitively and he thought that it was definitely more complex than he initially gave it credit for. People then called him out as a hypocrite for saying he now liked it when initially he was against it, as if people can't change their views over time.

What do you think about that? We often hear 'Oh, he's standing by his principles and what he believes is right, good on him' but if all the evidence points against you and you then eventually change your views, don't you deserve a pat on the back rather than a kick in the face?

Now, a hypocrite is, for those who for whatever reason don't know, a person who claims to believe in the opposite of their actual beliefs and/or principals. Now, this would apply to TB if time hadn't progressed long enough for his views to change after he gained more information on the matter at hand, but most people disregard the passage of time in situations like this. But what do you think? Is it better to stand thoroughly by your beliefs through thick and thin, or should we be more forgiving and accepting to those who change their views rather than calling them a lying hypocrite?

If you want the link then here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-fzymESv4


standing by your principles can be both good and bad

if you have the ideals of Kotomine Kiriei in Fate/Zero then well its not at all beneficial to society, same if you have madars and obitos, and lelouchs'

i cant really think of a INCREDIBLY LIGHT SIDED anime character to help the other half unfortunately

besides Kenshins when he starts his repenting and Suzakos in Code geass despite that he is forced to become fallen


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I HAVE A STEADFAST FAITH AND LOYALTY TO MY BELIEFS, AND MY IDEALS! WITH OUT A DOUBT I WILL SEE THEM TROUGH TO THE VERY END. I SHALL NOT WAVER, I SHALL NOT GIVE THEM UP. NO! MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE BRAINWASHES ME, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES OR HOW THOROUGH THEY ERASE MY MIND, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY TEMPT ME TO CHANGE. I WILL SEE MY IDEAL THROUGH TO THE VERY, VERY END OF MY LAST DYING BREATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pretends those exclamtion marks go on for BILLIONS on pages

and sorry for the caps but it was necessary for me to prove my point to it
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Posted 3/21/14 , edited 3/21/14

aluq wrote:

Why should a game ever be taken seriously?


Like I said, from the standpoint of a game eligible for e-sports. Not in general.
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.... oh. that's what you mean..

i read the title and immediately had an image of good student standing by his/her principal's side with lights shining and everyone looking at them
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Hypocrisy

Hypocrisy is the state of falsely claiming to possess virtuous characteristics that one lacks. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches. Samuel Johnson made this point when he wrote about the misuse of the charge of "hypocrisy" in Rambler No. 14:


Nothing is more unjust, however common, than to charge with hypocrisy him that expresses zeal for those virtues which he neglects to practice; since he may be sincerely convinced of the advantages of conquering his passions, without having yet obtained the victory, as a man may be confident of the advantages of a voyage, or a journey, without having courage or industry to undertake it, and may honestly recommend to others, those attempts which he neglects himself.


Thus, an alcoholic's advocating temperance, for example, would not be considered an act of hypocrisy as long as the alcoholic made no pretense of sobriety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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Posted 3/21/14 , edited 3/21/14
When I read the title I first thought of an actual principal (xD like wtf why would standing next to a principal be great?)

I think standing by your principles is a good thing, but we should make up our own minds before we let society blindly dictate us into whether or not standing by our principles is a good thing or not.

Also I think it is very human to be a hypocrite, we make mistakes all the time.
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Incredible bullshit arises whenever the unknown subject to the masses arises.
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What if your principle is to have an open mind?

I see this 'stand by your principles' to be the sort of BS that they love to spring on politicians calling them flip floppers for being open to evidence and argument.

A rock stands by it's principles nothing is going to move it. I don't think most people would enjoy having their brains compared to rocks.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

What if your principle is to have an open mind?

I see this 'stand by your principles' to be the sort of BS that they love to spring on politicians calling them flip floppers for being open to evidence and argument.

A rock stands by it's principles nothing is going to move it. I don't think most people would enjoy having their brains compared to rocks.


actually mines very much comparable to a rock
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pandrasb wrote:

When I read the title I first thought of an actual principal (xD like wtf why would standing next to a principal be great?)

I think standing by your principles is a good thing, but we should make up our own minds before we let society blindly dictate us into whether or not standing by our principles is a good thing or not.

Also I think it is very human to be a hypocrite, we make mistakes all the time.


Mistakes aren't hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is when your stated position or stated values is in opposition to your actions. Sometimes it can be a failure of thought or logic and you need another to point out the hypocrisy of a given position you may have in light of other statements you have made.

Most of the time it's active willingness to say one thing and do another.





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hypocrisy can also be used as term for saying "you recognize a mistake in your values and repent/change"
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