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Is standing by your principles really the great thing society makes it out to be?
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Anamalouscause in psychology, psychologist doesnt even know what makes up "you"

Nature Vs. Nurture theory


Science proof is made up of huge steps. Psychology tends to be the first when it comes to brain, but not the prominent one.


WRONG

their is psychologist who study the brain yes

but some actually study behaviors, and motivations, other external influences outside of the brain
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Oh yes. My apologies for not noticing the difference.
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aluq wrote:

Oh yes. My apologies for not noticing the difference.


i tend mostly disagree with everything in psychology so its okay lol
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It IS possible to refine and adjust the expression of those principles.

Also People have often violated their principles for a number of reasons. Pacifist religions re-invent war. Advocates of freedom willingly someone imprisoned.

Further what happens when acting according to one principle you have, leads you into conflict with another?


However you're right about Total Biscuit reversing an opinion is NOT the same as violating a principal

The expression of a principle is not a principle. I can tell you something and lie, and I can act in a way that does not contradict my principles, but will give others the impression my principle is different from what it actually is.

To be pacifist requires not warring. If they war, then they are not pacifist. If a person believes in "freedom" then depending on their definition of freedom, they might place somebody in prison, if by freedom they mean " free to do whatever you want" Then they would not constrict another person's freedom, assuming they think "everybody should have the freedom to do what they want", rather than just " I can do whatever I want, " because the later would mean they can impose restrictions on others.

Defining terms can be incredibly difficult, so while I might assume I know what another means when they say something, I shouldn't.
When they say "pacifist" they might just mean "against killing people because its useful" which is different from "against all forms of conflict" and different from "against intentionally killing people" and "against killing people" What if a situation, perpetrated by the pacifist forces another person to come to harm, in a manner the pacifist didn't mean to happen? If the pacifist meant no harm, but caused it anyways, did they, or did they not violate their principals?

So I suppose I should change that statement to One's principal's cannot be intentionally broken, although I'll stand by principal's not changing, because If a person believes they should never kill people, and accidentally kills somebody, not only will it torment them, but they won't change the principle, and it will weigh heavily on them. Depending on how honest with themselves they are, and how much they know about their principles they can decide that they actually meant "against intentionally killing people," but that only means that the principal they follow was "against intentionally killing people" rather than "against killing people" from the start.

If you have one principle that violates another, you run into Buridan's ass, so you are forced to chose between them or do nothing.
I would say that to have a set of consistent principle's they cannot contradict each other, because if they do, you need to chose one, which makes the other not your principle principle. I take no particular issue with neverending lists of exceptions, although I find them... inelegant, to say the least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass


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Nobodyofimportance wrote:

I have never heard of a person losing a skill except by disuse or trauma, and games don't require all that much time.


I'm sure people can't lose skills then.

I think you're using sarcasm, but I fail to understand where you're coming from. I know people can lose skills. What skills are they losing, and how are they losing them?
Posted 3/21/14
Smart. Such a shame you sound like a book though. Can't learn, can't teach more than you've been taught.

If you learn agility in an online game, you'd be losing reflection in person. Each person has an interchangeable capacity.
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2 things


What does it mean to be you?

what really makes up "you"?

and technically your life is a contradiction itself according to some absurdly, and widely accepted theories


I think therefore I am?

_I_ am an empirical and self evident fact of my own self-perception. I can question myself but the starting place is still 'I'



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Anamalous wrote:



2 things


What does it mean to be you?

what really makes up "you"?

and technically your life is a contradiction itself according to some absurdly, and widely accepted theories


I think therefore I am?

_I_ am an empirical and self evident fact of my own self-perception. I can question myself but the starting place is still 'I'





I is only a word or a symbol would be a better suited term with only a commonly accepted definition/meaning in commonly spoken English language


that goes for all things colors, number, words, shapes, and all


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your defitnion of I could be drastically different than some Marisan or someone from some other nation (marisan = aliens from space)
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that is in no way a hypocrite. he'd be a hypocrite if he keeps complementing it and is still bashing it. makes no sense.

for you to post this, either you really like this guy or the flaming is intensive.

anywho, it really depends on how badly he was against competitive smash bros.

when you bring society into it, then its basically what flows. if society says that this is right, then going against it will be flamed.

i don't mean to degrade, but its the same as same sex relationship. it happens but up until recent year it has been accepted. you have cultures where guys act and dress like girls but if two guys were to be in a relationship would be great taboo. next up to be on the chopping board could easily be zoophilia or even necrophilia.

racism could even be the acceptable norm in the future.

if you really believe in your ideals then simply stick to it. if you feel that you are willing to change to go for it as long as its fits to your current ideals.

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Posted 3/21/14 , edited 3/21/14

Anamalous wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Anamalous wrote:



2 things


What does it mean to be you?

what really makes up "you"?

and technically your life is a contradiction itself according to some absurdly, and widely accepted theories


I think therefore I am?

_I_ am an empirical and self evident fact of my own self-perception. I can question myself but the starting place is still 'I'





I is only a word or a symbol would be a better suited term with only a commonly accepted definition/meaning in commonly spoken English language


that goes for all things colors, number, words, shapes, and all


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your defitnion of I could be drastically different than some Marisan or someone from some other nation (marisan = aliens from space)


You mean Martian?

And absolutely you are right. Only I know what it means to be 'me' and in the absence of telepathy all we have to, inadequately, translate the glorious kaleidoscope of our thoughts is the decoder ring we call language.

Water, by the way is powerful wet stuff...

It's bright when the sun is shining too...


I'll try to explain myself without using words... Hang on are you ready?

...
...

....

There did you get that?

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I think principles and opinions (not to mention "Principals") are being confused here.


I'd have to agree because the situation you described about the youtuber---he was clearly expressing an opinion.

This is the definition of a principle: "A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." It's a basis for how you think or behave (ex. I believe being honest is generally the best course of action. The hypocrisy in this case would be if I lied a lot under the pretense of being a truthful person.)

I think there's strength in both cases: standing by your principles as well as being able to change your principles as you learn and change as a person. For example, a racist person learns to change as they interact with more people or because they slowly realize that their beliefs are a form of hate that really hurts others. It really depends on the person and their particular case.
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i dont remeber who it was maybe Eskimos had over 50 different to describe snow and we english speakers have like what 1 lol



you should have left it whith no periods and imply or say you are using no body gesttures
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Ahahaha. How primitive.
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this is such an amusing topic lol
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that is in no way a hypocrite. he'd be a hypocrite if he keeps complementing it and is still bashing it. makes no sense.

for you to post this, either you really like this guy or the flaming is intensive.




No, I posted it simply because I was interested in the topic and people's thoughts on the matter. It could have happened to anyone, frankly. He's not being flamed for it anymore, and I'm not so overly fond of him that my fondness would make me dedicate a topic to the situation on that alone. I don't see why either of those points have to apply for me to be interested on peoples thoughts on standing by your principles or changing your views. His case is simply for the sake of a recent and easily accessible example where he makes valid points on what I believe were the stupid points made by those calling him a hypocrite. At the end of the day I don't see why you think it matters. In no way does it alter your impressions on the actual subject.

Also, in your examples, to my understanding being gay causes no harm to anyone, it just makes those involved capable of living a happy life. Zoophilia is apparently the reason humans have AIDS since that was meant to be exclusive to apes, or so I heard. And Racism is cruel to the race being degraded. 2 people in a loving relationship is not degrading or cruel, or of detrimental harm to humans, inflicting them with an illness that could kill a large portion of humanity. Also, in zoophilia, there's no accurate way of telling the animal that isn't human is consenting. Being gay is between two consenting people of the same species, and homosexuality is also proven to exist in other animals.
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mlchanges wrote:

I think principles and opinions (not to mention "Principals") are being confused here.


I'd have to agree because the situation you described about the youtuber---he was clearly expressing an opinion.

This is the definition of a principle: "A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning." It's a basis for how you think or behave (ex. I believe being honest is generally the best course of action. The hypocrisy in this case would be if I lied a lot under the pretense of being a truthful person.)

I think there's strength in both cases: standing by your principles as well as being able to change your principles as you learn and change as a person. For example, a racist person learns to change as they interact with more people or because they slowly realize that their beliefs are a form of hate that really hurts others. It really depends on the person and their particular case.


It was moreso about people calling him a 'hypocrite' than the principles part. He mentions principles in the video, but if you watched it you'd see he was saying that his viewers called him a hypocrite. Principles were more of a tangent he went off on, so I included that as well. They were saying 'You said you didn't think it should be an e-sport before, now you're saying it should be' ignoring the fact that his statement about it not being a valid e-sport was made 2 years ago, and they kind of ignored that that's enough time for your views to change and acting like the fact that they had changed for the better was a bad thing. That was the point.
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